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Old 04-29-2005, 06:50 PM
Voltron87 Voltron87 is offline
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Default Re: genoa_st step 5 higher -- he made a correct call

everything i said was based on an innaccurate understanding of the hands. scratch it.
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Old 04-29-2005, 06:51 PM
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Default Re: genoa_st step 5 higher -- he made a correct call

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I've played SEVERAL tourneys with Genoa... HE made a terrible call. He apparently does not respect my game, but that is irrelevant here. Him calling me ONLY is a good play. Him calling 2 all-ins in front is again moronic. You have anywhere between 3 overcards, to 2 possible overpairs in front. He was not in good position. Here's why : the guy who went 2nd all-in is calling me. Assuming that he has some brains it's not going to be with a pair of 2s, therefore he has ATLEAST 2 overcards, if not an overpair. Putting your entire game on the line with 9s with 2 all-ins in front may be decent for $30 game, but not a 100k game. He clearly was in deep trouble on this hand and there's no way this play is +EV AT THIS LEVEL.

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Ok when I heard someone was against 2 all ins with A10 like this I assumed he must have pushed, or been halfway in, or something, but calling there is just terrible. Calling one all in from a typical agressive player can be good.

Rojo's play is straightforward here. I also think the player who went all in with 99 made a fine play too, if he can isolate rojo here (which he would the vast majority of the time) this play is +chips for him. But he is basically calling all in with his hand, and A10 can be a push hand but cannot beat many hands which call all in. I push A10 all the time, but I rarely call with it. And the situations where I call with it are not anyhting like this.

I think I'm repeating rojo here, but A10 does not beat two all ins, and it does not beat one call of an all in either. Pretty crappy play. Depending on how rojo has been playing the 99 play is not bad, definitely not compared to the a10 play.

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This post isn't accurate. Delete or edit after re-reading the hand history.
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Old 04-29-2005, 06:52 PM
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Default Re: genoa_st step 5 higher -- he made a correct call

It is for 10/3/2.
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Old 04-29-2005, 06:53 PM
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Default Re: genoa_st step 5 higher -- he made a correct call

my bad, will edit. thought i had it right.
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Old 04-29-2005, 06:53 PM
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Default Re: genoa_st step 5 higher -- he made a correct call

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99 play= goot over rojo's all in.
AT play= bad over two all ins, with 6 BB left.

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Rojo pushed
AT called
99 called

You have the order wrong.

Also, Rojo had been playing tighter than a thing that is tight.
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Old 04-29-2005, 06:55 PM
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99 play= goot over rojo's all in.
AT play= bad over two all ins, with 6 BB left.

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Rojo pushed
AT called
99 called

You have the order wrong.

Also, Rojo had been playing tighter than a thing that is tight.

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yeah i did get it wrong, scratch that, i have to think about it. im editing it out.
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Old 04-29-2005, 06:55 PM
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Default Re: genoa_st step 5 higher -- he made a correct call

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It is for 10/3/2.

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How much would the $EV increase for genoa if Rojo was pushing almost any 2 in this spot? (which wouldn't be unheard of)
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Old 04-29-2005, 06:56 PM
Van Strummer Van Strummer is offline
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Default Re: genoa_st step 5 higher -- he made a correct call

If that is correct, the conclusion has to be good call. Of course that is assuming genoa read bikkje for being able to call an all-in here with a hand as bad as AT.
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Old 04-29-2005, 06:57 PM
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it doesnt matter how "tight" Rojo has been playing. Any idiot that can win at sit and go's will push with a very large range of hands in Rojo's seat. I play tight as hell the first 3 rounds too, to draw any conclusions from this once the blinds become 100-200 and I'm short on chips is ridiculous.
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Old 04-29-2005, 06:58 PM
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it doesnt matter how "tight" Rojo has been playing. Any idiot that can win at sit and go's will push with a very large range of hands in Rojo's seat. I play tight as hell the first 3 rounds too, to draw any conclusions from this once the blinds become 100-200 and I'm short on chips is ridiculous.

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I agree, it's not like he flashes a sign when he changes gears. I added the comment because Voltron mentioned something about how Rojo was playing.
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