I made the jump to the 30's and here is how I compare to the 20's

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Now correct me if I'm wrong but the 30's are much better players than the 20's. Maybe it's because I am playing in the mornings but it seems that you never have 4 people gone before round 4. Now I have only played 30 of these so far but I am finding these much harder than the 20's because of the fact that by round 5 there is usually 5-6 players still around. When playing the 20's by round 5 you are lucky if it's not 3 way. I have been 3 way in round 4 in the 20's before a few times.

My question is this.. Am I just playing at the wrong times for the 30's? Are the fish all playing later on or is this normal? I wont say that the players are better just more patient overall by far.

Any comments from anyone is great..thx

btw I am still winning at this level in my tiny sample size so it's not like I am out of my league.

[FishBurger]

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My question is this.. Am I just playing at the wrong times for the 30's? Are the fish all playing later on or is this normal?

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Yes. Play in the evenings.

One difference I've noticed between the $22s and the $33s is that you are more likely to run into a tricky player in the $33s. Overall, the players are better at the $33s, but it's not a huge jump.

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Ok I will play in the evenings.. Now I have to change my sleeping again..dammit. Thx for the reply.

I think overall the players in the mornings on the 30's are twice as patient as the players at night in the 20's.

[Voltron87]

there are a lot of players who are too tight at level 25/50, take advantage of this. irie made a post about how the 33s might be a logjam of better players, you might want to check it out. a lot of these players still in are pretty weak tight, they are staying in longer but that doesn't mean they are very good.

[Newt_Buggs]

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there are a lot of players who are too tight at level 25/50, take advantage of this.

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thats a good point, maybe i'll try opening it up more on level 3 and see how it feels

[dfscott]

That's interesting.

I took a shot at the 33s over the last few nights and couldn't really tell any difference. If anything it seemed easier to me than the 22s. Probably just positive variance (my ITM and ROI are unspeakably -- and unsustainably -- high).

OTOH, it could be that I'm getting a lot of negative variance at the 22s -- they have been really tough for me lately. It sounds like what you experienced at the 33s -- I've been getting to level 5 with 6-7 players a LOT.

I've got 50 buy-ins for the 33s, so I'm thinking about staying there unless there's a reason to drop down (i.e., a big OOTM streak, which I've probably guaranteed by making this post). My hardware setup only allows me to 4-table, so it's really the only way for me to increase my $/hr.

[Mr_J]

Ok I'm not sure I've had any greater experience than the players that have already commented. I've played nearly 1k all up (pretty evenly split between the 2 buyins). My impression (this isn't results oriented) is that the difference between the 2 when playing peak hours isn't that great, but it is significant during slow hours.

There are alot more serious players at the $33s than the $22s. The $33s are a chokepoint (look for greater explanation in one of Irie's recent threads). Most serious players won't spend much time at the $22s. They quickly move up the low limits to the $33s. Quite a few won't move up to the $55s, and many that do will still stay at the $33s for a longer time than that they spent at the $22s.

Another thing to consider is multitabling. People are more likely to be multitabling (ie 4+) at the $33s than the $22s. This might be because they were at the $33s by the time they were ready for it, or because many are quite happy to stay at the $33s and add more tables. Generally you improve then add tables (ie alot of serious players were only 1-2-3 tabling when playing the $22s, but many were 4+ playing the $33s).

So to sum in up, I think there are many more serious players at the $33s than at the $22s, and those serious players will be playing a larger number of tables.

How does this fit in time of day? Well when there are 70k online, there will be plenty of fish at the low limits. There are so many fish, that the fishro (by pro I just mean any decent snger) ratio at the $33s and $22s won't be that different. Close enough that $33s are more profitable, but different enough that they aren't THAT much more profitable.

During the morning with 15k on. There are alot less fish playing. During slow hours, serious players will represent a larger % of the total players. This is because serious players are more likely to be able to play at these times than fish (alot of serious players don't 'work', most fish do). So, with alot less fish on, the ratio of fishro becomes much more significant. Significant enough that there may not be any different in hourly EV between the $22s and $33s during slow hours.

This is my opinion of it anyway.

[hummusx]

After a small sample size at both buyins over the last 2 weeks (250 22s and 70 33s) and reading this thread and a couple others, I've concluded that most of the perceived differences between the two are variance related (as dfscott mentioned). Your observation that there were rarely many left in the 22s by level 4/5 was exactly the opposite of what I was observing. I don't think you're wrong, and I don't think I'm wrong. I just think that over the sample sizes we are talking about we can't make any meaningful observations.

I have no doubt that it varies by time. It probably also varies by day and many other random factors. The first night I played the 33s, I was shocked at all the maniacs - I thought the 33s were flooded with them. Last night they played almost exactly like the 22s. So who knows.

I think the best comment I've seen was on another thread I had started where someone said that the 33s are just like the 22s with one decent player swapped out for one bad player.

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During the morning with 15k on. There are alot less fish playing. During slow hours, serious players will represent a larger % of the total players. This is because serious players are more likely to be able to play at these times than fish (alot of serious players don't 'work', most fish do). So, with alot less fish on, the ratio of fishro becomes much more significant. Significant enough that there may not be any different in hourly EV between the $22s and $33s during slow hours.

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This logic makes sense to me. I wonder if it makes sense to play the 22s during the day and switch to the 33s at night. I used to do that during my limit days with the 2/4 and 3/6 game for the same reasons you mention above.

[p0t_Commit3d]

Does anyone have any serious data to base any of this on?

Or links ? A search was too vauge for me(I got too many hits).

I am also thinking of rapidly moving up. I have killed the 20s with my small sample size ~You feffers always call me on this like I dont already know~ I am thinking of moving up to the 50s and skipping the 30s. That extra 200 chips is niice for a player like me. I didnt even notice it was at the 50s too. I thought it started at the 100s. I am 0-4 at the 100s.