My favorite 6-max hand - playing against posters

[kurosh]

NO! It's not the best single hand PF either. This is the last post I'm making in this thread. I don't know how much simpler to make it than this. If you don't understand this, you should quit poker if you like money.
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41,095,296 games 0.062 secs 662,827,354 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 49.0904 % [ 00.48 00.01 ] { 22 }
Hand 2: 50.9096 % [ 00.50 00.01 ] { 85s }


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41,095,296 games 0.093 secs 441,884,903 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 48.6539 % [ 00.47 00.02 ] { 22 }
Hand 2: 51.3461 % [ 00.50 00.02 ] { 54s }


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41,095,296 games 0.063 secs 652,306,285 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 49.7734 % [ 00.48 00.02 ] { 22 }
Hand 2: 50.2266 % [ 00.48 00.02 ] { 53s }


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[Jeff W]

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I thought it was about 99% likely that 22 was the best hand.

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IIRC, 22 does not have 25% equity against 3 random hands. Therefore, it is not the best hand. In Omaha Hi, is 2222 the best hand HU against 8765?

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What about making the pot larger to tie players on with bottom pair and worse hands when you hit a set?

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You're misapplying concepts from HEPFAP. Re-read the pre flop section.

[magic_man]

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You're misapplying concepts from HEPFAP

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IMO, this is only misapplying the "Make a big pot w/ hands that can flop well" concept if you think that your opponents will all call with hands that are drawing dead or close to dead on the flop even if the pot is small. Do you think this is true, and that therefore raising is definitely wrong?

~MagicMan

[Jeff W]

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your opponents will all call with hands that are drawing dead or close to dead on the flop even if the pot is small. Do you think this is true, and that therefore raising is definitely wrong?

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Yes.

Also, IIRC, HEPFAP only recommends this play when you have more opponents(5 I think)? Anyway, the play sucks in modern games no matter what HEPFAP has to say.

[krishanleong]

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Yes.

Also, IIRC, HEPFAP only recommends this play when you have more opponents(5 I think)? Anyway, the play sucks in modern games no matter what HEPFAP has to say.

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This is a pretty standard move at 2/4 and 3/6. It doesn't come up often but it's standard to raise any pp on the button with 4-6 limpers.

Krishan

[Jeff W]

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It's standard to raise and pp on the button with 4-6 limpers.

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Why? If it is standard, it shouldn't be.

[krishanleong]

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It's standard to raise and pp on the button with 4-6 limpers.

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Why? If it is standard, it shouldn't be.

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No it should be. If you run TTH sims for a mix of opponents with 22 on the button, the EV of calling is about .08 and the EV of raise is about .24. It's a pretty remarkable difference.

The extra value comes from either, getting a 4th chance at hitting your set when everyone checks to you on the flop or tying people with 1 pair hands (that are drawing dead) to the pot when you hit your set.

Krishan

[magic_man]

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It's standard to raise and pp on the button with 4-6 limpers.

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Why? If it is standard, it shouldn't be.

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I disagree. It's true that many players nowadays will call the flop with one overcard or less, but many of them drop off on the turn. Building a large pot preflop encourages them to stick around on the turn & river with even-worse-than-usual hands.

~MagicMan

[Nate tha' Great]

Bet the river for bluffing equity.

[magic_man]

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getting a 4th chance at hitting your set when everyone checks to you on the flop

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I completely forgot about this in the post, but it's obviously important. I chose to bet the flop when they checked to me, because:
a) I thought some players might fold with live outs, getting correct odds to draw.
b) I thought everyone would check to me on the turn, allowing me to check and try to catch a 2 on the river.
c) I thought I could have the best hand.

~MagicMan