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Old 04-19-2005, 04:34 PM
sale sale is offline
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Default 2-4 party: Flopping flush, board paired river

Hi,

recently switched from limit to NL cashgame. Thought the following hand was quite interesting, and would like comments on all streets.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter

UTG ($475)
UTG+1 ($280)
UTG+2 ($506.2)
MP1 ($293.2)
MP2 ($605.3)
MP3 ($649)
Hero ($386.6)
Button ($406.2)
SB ($192)
BB ($866)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $2.
UTG calls $4, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls $4, MP2 calls $4, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $4, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($24) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets $20</font>, Hero calls $20, SB folds, BB folds, UTG folds, MP1 folds.

Turn: ($64) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets $40</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $100</font>, MP2 calls $60.

River: ($264) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP2 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: $264
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Old 04-19-2005, 05:48 PM
radioheadfan radioheadfan is offline
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Default Re: 2-4 party: Flopping flush, board paired river

You played this like a limit hand, lol.

Some comments:

1) You can pop this up preflop with all the limpers to build a pot with a nice drawing hand in position.
2) I like the smooth call on the flop
3) Make a bigger raise on the turn. $150 straight sounds about right
4) Value bet the river for $200 or so given that you made it $150 to go on the turn - checking behind becomes an option if you made a bigger raise on the turn that got called (on the order of $200 or so)
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Old 04-19-2005, 05:56 PM
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Default Re: 2-4 party: Flopping flush, board paired river

Thanks for det comments!

My first thought was also that I should have raised more on the turn.

I don't feel good about betting 200 on the river. Do you think enough worse hands will call here?
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Old 04-19-2005, 08:37 PM
iceman5 iceman5 is offline
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Default Re: 2-4 party: Flopping flush, board paired river

I think checking behind is the right play. I mean the highest heart left is the ten. What could he possibly call a river bet with?

I think if you bet, he either folds or raises you if he has a boat. I think a bet is -EV there.
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Old 04-20-2005, 01:30 AM
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Default Re: 2-4 party: Flopping flush, board paired river

I like a pot bet on the turn. This way when the villain pops you, you can get your full stack in on the turn. I think he pays off with any small flush, a set and maybe two pair, given that this line is often taken with a of hearts. The only hand that can beat you is an ace high flush, which is unlikely on the turn. Checking the river is fine though maybe a small value bet could be inorder/folding to a raise. People will call with lots of random crap.
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Old 04-20-2005, 06:46 AM
elindauer elindauer is offline
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Default Re: 2-4 party: Flopping flush, board paired river

Raise a little more on the turn to make it wrong for the Ah to call. You're not likely to get much more action at $100 than you are at $140.

You can value bet the river against a passive opponent who will payoff with any heart and won't move you off the best hand often (note: there are lots of players in this category). Checking behind a tough, tricky, aggressive player is an excellent choice.

Good luck.
Eric
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Old 04-20-2005, 06:57 AM
Jon Matthews Jon Matthews is offline
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Default Re: 2-4 party: Flopping flush, board paired river

Biggest mistake is the raise to $100 on the turn, as others have pointed out played just like limit. I think that you should raise it to $200. It's a big raise, probably slightly more than the pot, but if you have a set calling you and he misses his boat on the river he may feel commited to call again anyway. Since it's Party I wouldn't put it past a set to call a bet like that, and this way you entice your opponent to make a big mistake.
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Old 04-20-2005, 11:31 AM
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Thanks for all good replies.

For the record, he had 66 for the flopped set and full house on river.
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