The Suede Jacket

[Mizzles]

Here's the situation-- You raise preflop w/ Ace something (say other than AK for now), you get 3-bet, you call. Ace on the flop. Now what?

Bet the flop? Check raise the flop? Check call the flop?
CR the turn? Bet the turn?

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Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, BB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (9.66 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, BB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.83 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls.

River: (7.83 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 9.83 BB

[steveyz]

Really depends on the opponent. If the opponent has a pretty high VPIP and PFR, I'll check-raise the flop or turn expecting a calldown from unimproved pocket pairs and excessive action from worse Aces.
Against a solid opponent, probably check-call flop and turn and bet the river, although on your board, when that second ace comes I'd be inclined to bet out as well.

[philnewall]

Why not check raise the turn? If he has a pp then he'll likely bet it, assuming the second ace has improved his hand...and you won't get raised by many worse hands when you lead the turn.

[Nick709]

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[imported_CaseClosed326]

Why not just buy a bunch of tote bags and them tie dye them...very fashionable.
I like to bet out this river.

[lil feller]

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Why not check raise the turn? If he has a pp then he'll likely bet it, assuming the second ace has improved his hand

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If you c/r the turn the only way you're getting paid off is if villian has a smaller Ace (unless he's a complete Donk, he's folding an underpair to a c/r here). That or your gonna get drilled by Aces full or underfull and be drawing to 3 outs.

The best line is this situation, IMHO, is to c/c the flop and c/c the turn. Then lead the river planning on calling a raise (unless you river a Q of course, in which case you'd obviously 3bet).

lf

[Mizzles]

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The best line is this situation, IMHO, is to c/c the flop and c/c the turn. Then lead the river planning on calling a raise (unless you river a Q of course, in which case you'd obviously 3bet).

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Problem with this is there's no guarantee he'll bet the turn, some players will check it through fearing an ace.

[balkii]

i think the turn and river leads are a must. you can consider checking the turn, but once that A-hits, you have to fear a checkbehind so betting is great. river is obvious.

im curious though, suppose we are villian with KK/QQ/JJ, would this be a routine check through on the turn? bet/fold seems horrible because people try all kinds of [censored] when the A pairs. or is it bet/call?

[NLSoldier]

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Against a solid opponent, probably check-call flop and turn and bet the river, although on your board, when that second ace comes I'd be inclined to bet out as well.

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Haven't most solid oppenents learned to recognize this line by now? Seems like a solid opponent will raise AK and fold a pocket pair to this river bet.

[lil feller]

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Problem with this is there's no guarantee he'll bet the turn, some players will check it through fearing an ace

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Most aggressive players will bet this turn 100% of the time and then check the river. If this player was not such a player, then leading the turn is fine.

lf