A few draws, Post flop commentary appreciated

BigDave · #1 03-15-2005, 06:01 PM

I have started playing my draws a little bit harder then usual, and have had some mixed results. These hands are not results based, some of them I hit, some I took down with out showdown, and some I missed. Just looking for some feedback if you like the play or not.

#1 Top pair plus flush draw (I know fold preflop, looking for postflop feedback)

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

CO (t585)
Button (t775)
Hero (t785)
BB (t800)
UTG (t925)
UTG+1 (t930)
UTG+2 (t800)
MP1 (t495)
MP2 (t800)
MP3 (t1105)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
5 folds, MP3 calls t15, CO calls t15, 1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t60) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, BB bets t50, MP3 raises to t100, CO folds, Hero calls t100, BB calls t50.

Turn: (t360) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP3 bets t200, Hero raises to t670 (All-In),

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#2 Desparation

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (5 handed) converter

UTG (t2390)
MP (t1445)
Button (t2365)
SB (t1190)
Hero (t610)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls t100, 3 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (t250) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets t100, Hero raises to t510 (All-In),
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#3 OESD

Seat 6: kingleum ( $815 )
Seat 4: boomer88 ( $1165 )
Seat 3: GoldBoyCD ( $945 )
Seat 9: hero ( $540 )
Seat 2: HaveFun6969 ( $1340 )
Seat 7: pspomer ( $760 )
Seat 1: STONED4200 ( $745 )
Seat 8: momswin ( $1690 )
Trny:8644434 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to hero [ Jc 9c ]
STONED4200 folds.
HaveFun6969 folds.
GoldBoyCD calls [15].
boomer88 folds.
kingleum calls [15].
pspomer calls [15].
momswin calls [5].
hero checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4s, 8s, Td ]
momswin checks.
hero checks.
GoldBoyCD bets [77].
kingleum calls [77].
pspomer calls [77].
momswin folds.
hero is all-In.

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#4 OESD and flush draw

Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: Bannypal ( $1005 )
Seat 2: no199iSminE ( $785 )
Seat 4: Yard_Shark ( $790 )
Seat 5: wporky ( $775 )
Seat 6: btssouth ( $715 )
Seat 9: JOEPAJOEPA ( $1665 )
Seat 7: jjames180 ( $710 )
Seat 10: hero ( $695 )
Seat 8: capideas ( $860 )
Trny:9843849 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to hero [ 9s Js ]
wporky folds.
btssouth folds.
jjames180 calls [15].
capideas folds.
JOEPAJOEPA calls [15].
hero calls [15].
Bannypal folds.
no199iSminE folds.
Yard_Shark checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6s, Qd, Ts ]
Yard_Shark checks.
jjames180 bets [70].
JOEPAJOEPA folds.
hero calls [70].
Yard_Shark folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3c ]
jjames180 bets [210].
hero is all-In.
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#5 flush and inside str8 draw

Total number of players : 8
Seat 9: hero ( $840 )
Seat 6: muleyluck ( $1395 )
Seat 1: SHARKSKINR ( $135 )
Seat 4: turnipator ( $1405 )
Seat 10: ChuckV37 ( $1520 )
Seat 7: Mysticpike ( $705 )
Seat 3: pcfd635 ( $525 )
Seat 2: never70 ( $1475 )
Trny:7941782 Level:3
Blinds(25/50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to hero [ 10s Ks ]
SHARKSKINR folds.
never70 calls [50].
pcfd635 folds.
turnipator folds.
muleyluck folds.
Mysticpike folds.
hero calls [25].
ChuckV37 raises [50].
never70 calls [50].
hero calls [50].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jd, 9s, 5s ]
hero bets [50].
ChuckV37 raises [300].
never70 folds.
hero calls [250].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3h ]
hero checks.
ChuckV37 bets [450].
hero is all-In.

Thanks in advance.

Namebejed7 · #2 03-15-2005, 06:14 PM

I hate the checkraises on the semi-bluff. Part of the value of a semi-bluff is to get the opponent to fold, and a checkraise gives them better odds of calling. Would you call if they pushed when you checked? In some of these instances a check raise will almost certainly be called, so if I wanted my stack in the middle I would do it without getting tricky.

Elektrik · #3 03-15-2005, 07:59 PM

I'm with the curtains school of thought that it's much better, and you'll get more responses, if you post 1 hand per post. That being said, you posted some great hands to look at, so I'll give it a try, although I'd much rather take these one at a time. Also, I'm no expert on postflop play, so I'd love to discuss these with anyone.

1) I think calling preflop is fine.

The bet, followed by the minraise makes me wary. If you're planning on getting all of your chips in there without improvement, now's the time to do it - push on the flop. However, my line would be to call the flop and see a turn, and check/fold if I don't improve. I think it's too likely that MP3 has you beat and that you don't have enough FE, and you really don't want a race for your chips in level 1. I really don't like calling the 100 in the flop and pushing a blank turn like that.

2) I like this move. Especially if UTG's been being loose with his big stack.

3) Took me a while, but I think I fold this on the flop. You have a bet and TWO callers; I think you'll be called too much here. You certainly can't call that bet with your stack size. Also, it's level one, so you still have time to catch a hand later.

4) I don't think your stack is deep enough to justify calling this preflop. I like calling the flop bet; however, I fold that turn. You risked 70 chips for a chance to hit your monster, but missed, and he's probably calling that turn all in, which is exactly what you don't want.

An alternative is to raise the flop, push the turn...but I prefer just calling over that. I don't like your line though.

5) Preflop is marginal.
Given the potsize, I check raise that flop all in. I hate the way you played it, you don't give him an option to fold, and you are most certainly behind when you call that turn bet.

IMO, if you're going to play fast with your draws, it should be done on the flop rather than the turn after a blank has come off. You have much more equity in your semibluff that way, as well as giving your opponent a much better chance of folding when the pot isn't so big in relation to his chip stack size.

However, I generally like to take the passive route, especially early on, putting few of my chips at risk to win a potentially massive pot.

curtains · #4 03-15-2005, 08:02 PM

Yeah Id love to respond but I just can't do so many hands! Good thing there are plenty of others to help though [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]