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Old 03-07-2005, 11:24 PM
willperkins willperkins is offline
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Default Big Slick in $10/1 tourneys?

Two different times tonight I was faced with the AK predicament. The first time, the blinds were low in comparison to my stack size.

Do you push or fold?


Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter

Hero (t1490)
MP3 (t790)
CO (t3270)
Button (t1140)
SB (t1380)
BB (t1520)
UTG (t930)
UTG+1 (t770)
MP1 (t2210)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t30, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t120</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to t770</font>

Hero??



The second time, the blinds are a lot higher. Does this make a difference in how you play compared to the first example?


Big Blind is t150 (5 handed) converter

Hero (t1960)
UTG (t1815)
MP (t2820)
Button (t4895)
SB (t2010)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t450</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">


Hero??


All comments are appreciated.
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Old 03-07-2005, 11:40 PM
Terrabon98 Terrabon98 is offline
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Default Re: Big Slick in $10/1 tourneys?

Both depend a great deal on the type of player you're against. In $10+1, I imagine you will face players who will push with mid-pairs and Aq, Aj, etc., but I still probably fold. It's early, no point in riskin half of your stack, you aren't pot committed, wait for a better time. The second time, I will almost always push, unless the guy i'm against is just a total rock. You are the short stack at the table, you need to get some chips, and AKs is too good to pass up in my opinion...
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Old 03-07-2005, 11:49 PM
grickey grickey is offline
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Default Re: Big Slick in $10/1 tourneys?

I fold this first hand it's too early and a limp/reraise screams big pair to me.
The second hand depends on what type of player UTG is. If he is extremely tight I may fold,otherwise I push.
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Old 03-08-2005, 12:10 AM
Travis Travis is offline
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Default Re: Big Slick in $10/1 tourneys?

FWIW - at Stars $20 or $30 I instamuck hand 1. The range of hands that does this is pretty small. Maybe its different at the party 10+1's but even so, I've got to think you not a favorite to a weighted average range of hands that limp reraise allin. For example, if he's got AA-JJ and AK-AQ you've only got 45% pot equity. I think the range of hands that do this is actually smaller.

Hand 2 I push.
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Old 03-08-2005, 12:11 AM
shaneisme shaneisme is offline
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Default Re: Big Slick in $10/1 tourneys?

i agree with the given advice. Id personally re-raise with AKsuited... I would assume you have him. And i might go ahead and assume the other guy is holding something that puts you at an advantage rather than 10s or some other pocket.
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Old 03-08-2005, 12:32 AM
Unparagoned Unparagoned is offline
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Default Re: Big Slick in $10/1 tourneys?

I've actually seen all sorts of crazy stuff turned over in this situation. 22, JQs, AJ, A6, J5 (if you'll believe that...). In fact, I can't remember the last time on party I saw a limp re-raiser turn over AA or KK. I have seen a couple of QQs recently, but there ya go.

Anyway, hand 1, despite the crap that I see get turned over, I am still not sure how I act. I might call and I might fold depending on the few things I've seen up to this point. With absolutely no information, I am leaning fold, but if I had a sudden urge I'd call. I think you see where I'm going with this.

The second hand is unquestionably going to involve putting all your chips in preflop. Relative size of blinds to stack makes all the difference really.
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Old 03-08-2005, 12:56 AM
lastchance lastchance is offline
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Default Re: Big Slick in $10/1 tourneys?

Hand 1 depends on how badly your average $10+1 Stars player plays. If your average Stars player turns over AT-AK, 66+, and KQ, it's an easy call. If your average stars player turns over AA-JJ, and AK-AQ, fold.

Hand 2 is a really easy push, whichever way you look at it.
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Old 03-08-2005, 01:17 AM
SuitedSixes SuitedSixes is offline
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Default Re: Big Slick in $10/1 tourneys?

FoldPush
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Old 03-08-2005, 04:25 AM
gh9801 gh9801 is offline
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Default Re: Big Slick in $10/1 tourneys?

#1 fold - most likely it is a coin toss, maybe AA or KK. I wouldn't want to gamble in this spot.
#2 push
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Old 03-08-2005, 05:01 AM
lorinda lorinda is offline
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Default Re: Big Slick in $10/1 tourneys?

I pretty much agree with the general feeling.

There are times in a $10+1 that I would just call with the second one and check raise if I hit and check fold if I didn't.
Those times would involve a high idiot quotient on the table and some very aggressive idiots.

Lori
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