All in here?

bigredlemon · #1 02-14-2005, 04:46 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (4 handed) converter

Hero (t1460)
UTG (t2045)
Button (t355)
SB (t4140)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls t200, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t600) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets t200, SB folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t800

With SB so shortstacked, I felt I couldn't push for the odd chance that one of them was slowplay a monster or call with a pair. I probably still have a lot of fold equity, though they both have me covered. If shorty is all in here, would it still be a call or push better?

Good/bad?

edit: I'm mainly thinking about preflop

slickterp · #2 02-14-2005, 04:50 PM

fold. if the short stack is the one going all in, you call, can't just let him have it, but fold to the bigger stack.

Scuba Chuck · #3 02-14-2005, 05:59 PM

Yuk. How about a 2xBB raise PF instead? Try and commit shorty to this hand.

curtains · #4 02-16-2005, 05:05 AM

If shorty was allin id definitely just call.
In the game situation you do have a ton of Fold equity, but if you have a gun handy you should always fold, because if you get called and lose you will shoot yourself in the head, and is it really worth your life for this stupid AQo???

raptor517 · #5 02-16-2005, 05:08 AM

a lot of times instead of pushing and running into something, a SB big stack will limp bet any flop. the thing is, if he is SOLID at all he would push any 2 here because of the button having 355. however, after he completed, i would very likely just push. if hes trapping me with a monster, so be it, but i want to put myself in a position to win, and thats not a terrible way to go about it.

Merlyn22 · #6 02-16-2005, 06:07 AM

Fortune favors the bold - Push Pre-flop.

johnnybeef · #7 02-16-2005, 06:14 AM

push, there are 5 hands that have you beat right now. i like those odds in a 4 handed game. plus there is a lot in the pot for you to pick up.

yellowjack · #8 02-16-2005, 07:19 AM

Definite push. I put UTG on a delayed steal attempt (will autobet the flop when checked to), and SB is tagging along. You have to push here for these reasons:

1) You probably have the best hand PF and the pot would make a nice addition to your stack. Does UTG think you will try to steal his BB if he only calls? I doubt it, unless you've shown this tendency.

2) This acts like a 'warning' to UTG and SB to not try limping again, and you'll get to keep your BB more often. Of course in tougher games this is not the case, but generally it is.

ChrisV · #9 02-16-2005, 09:48 AM

Push preflop. UTG has a mediocre hand that he couldn't bear to fold. He is most likely not going to screw around with a good hand with the button so short. SB only completed because of the pot odds and because he has a mountain of chips. Also because he knows you will both be reluctant to commit on the flop.