Pokerhost Stole $11,000 from me

[bxpeter]

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I guess if you can't read and understand the 15 posts already in this thread that explain why chip dumping is wrong and why an experienced online player should know it is wrong, then it really wouldn't do any good to explain it all again one more time here, now would it?
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This is a moral issue. Chip dumping is not wrong in and of itself. Its wrong when and only when someone does it in order to hide connections to colluding players or to launder stolen money somehow - or whatever else.

When someone has no other way to transfer funds and it NEEDS to be done immediately for whatever reason, its not wrong to dump chips. It is against the site's policy, so it should be avoided, since obviously, the site has to go through some trouble when it happens. But, it should be obvious that that doesn't make it wrong.

And if by wrong, you mean "against the site's policy", it still doesn't make sense that anyone would think that he deserves to lose $11,000 by doing something that harms no one, but is against a policy or law. If he deserves to lose anything, its the money that went into an investigation to figure out whether or not this guy actually did anything wrong.

And its not at all true that party will take all your money if you dump chips for any reason whatsoever. They will investigate, and if there's no illegal activity they'll open the account back up. They don't fine you; they don't even really say, "don't do it again". Why? because, there's nothing actually wrong with doing it when there's no illegal activity behind it.

The reason they don't want people doing it is because they have to investigate the accounts every time and because by having that in their policy, it will make money launderers and cheaters more hesitant to use their site for their thievery.

[rickthekeg]

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someone steals 11k from you...

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Just to clear this up, they did not steal anything from you. You violated one of their rules, and they took the appropriate steps to correct this.

At any rate, if your story is legit, good luck in getting your money back.

[richrf]

2500 views. That's a lot.

[LoveNh8]

...and even if pokerhost *did* throw the money back to the fish:

a. Pokerhost will rerake that $$$ (time and time again)
instead of tripdoub withdrawing and spending it

and

b. it's free advertising/bonus for the site,

since your typical fish will think
"they are really lookin out for me, the little guy!"
(yeah, unless you ever become a winner, mr. fish)
and/or
"see, it's not that i'm a frikkin idiot who can't play poker;
i wuz cheeted!"
(gee, never heard that one before...)


either way, pokerhost benefits directly and indirectly,
i.e. once they knew there was nothing nefarious going on,
they had, in fact, *stolen* tripdoub's *eleven thousand dollars.*

call it "rules" or "policy" if you wanna be "lawful neutral" and anal retentive,
but i call it *theft.*

[Templeton]

How on earth could an internet poker player of 5 years not know that chip dumping is against site rules?

Whether you agree with the rule or not, you know it is against the rules. Yet you still did it?

How could an internet poker player of 5 years not understand the reasons that chip dumping is against the rules? Astonishing!

Also being aware that other sites offered transfer methods, you still chip dumped! Amazing!

Not passing any judgement here on your particular problem, but you 'opened the door' for this to happen.

[LoveNh8]

Geezus, "The Zoo" is full of 'em.

People who support "the rules" and "that's what the fine print says"
over common sense, common decency, and clean dealings make me wanna puke.

Now I don't know if this all lays out exactly like tripdoub says,
but if it does, Pokerhost stole from him
by any reasonable definition.

Theft by fine print and stonewalling is still theft.

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If you think you might just be an anal retentive lawful neutral hall monitor who snorts when laughing,
mister, you probably are.

And if you are, how 'bout Netellering over some big bucks to Pokerscammerhost
for some honest poker action?
Because, you will neverrrr fall afoul of any fine print shennanigans
(You are just too darn smart and attentive to detail.)

And when it happens to you
(which could neverrr everrr happen),
you won't be here bitching on the boards
(no sirree bob).

And if you did somehow end up scammed and bitching on the boards
(no way, jose!),
you surely would be very surprised to see your
anal retentive "lawful neutral" hall monitor brethren
snorting when they laugh at you
(honor among ARLNHMWSWLs.)

[richrf]

Theft sounds about right to me.

[richrf]

A bunch of paid-off shills as far as I am concerned.

[pokerdude10]

------All claims, warnings of collusion and fraud are taken seriously. Accounts that are under investigation will be notified by a PokerHost Supervisor and will be temporarily locked during the time frame of the investigation. At the moment in which an appropriate response/resolution has been determined, the player(s) in question will be promptly informed. Immediate account re-activation will occur depending on the outcome. When account closure is the final solution, balances will be processed, dispersed or reimbursed to appropriate parties. ------


so apparently chip dumping among known friends for the benefit of no one external to the dump and to the detriment of no one external to the dump was deemed an 11k offense.

pokerhost should most certainly get medals and awards for that. oh wait, they got an 11k award. WELL DONE

[PokerMaster]

This is the best damn soap opera ever. It turned from someone chip dumping and wanting to take legal action, to a Soprano like crime family story. This is worth my time on this site.