Flop decision poll

[slimpikkens]

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls, CO calls, <font color="666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(6 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero ....

[DeuceKicker]

You're going to get about 98% bet, 1% check, and one smart-ass asking for a "fold" choice

[jason1990]

You know, I knew this would be the result. And I don't understand it. People here seem to regard SSH as the "bible" of small stakes holdem. Is betting out in this situation advocated by SSH? Can anyone point me to an example in SSH that illustrates this?

[DeuceKicker]

I haven't read SSH yet, so I can't say whether this is illustrated there.

I think this is one of the instances where a bet may not be automatic. I wouldn't worry a whole lot about the straight draw. I wouldn't worry a whole lot about the flush draw. I wouldn't worry much at all about the three cold-callers (see it too often). But add them all together and you've got something to worry about.

While I think most of the reasons given for checking are valid, there are also reasons for betting.

(1) I think you'll get come of the cold-callers with something like Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] to fold. The draws aren't going anywhere, but I'd hate to have them miss only to lose to a rivered Q that might have folded on the flop.

(2) There's also something to be said for maintaining aggression. If you're willing to check/call, why not bet out? Particularly after you raised pre-flop, you can almost expect LP to bet his gutshot just because you've shown weakness, which leaves you with little idea where you really stand. If you bet and are raised, however, it's much easier to let it go.

(3) Building and/or capitalizing on table image. If your opponents sense that you only play the better hands they are more willing to give you credit for a high pocket pair. Also, they know you're not going to let them draw out cheaply.

Not sure if this is because of table image or not, but I often get most of the cold-callers to fold the flop. Unfortunately it often takes a turn bet to get out the stragglers, and I wouldn't really want to put in a turn bet unimproved here.

Anyway, I think primarily because of (2) I'd still bet out, though I can see the arguments foe checking. Just think how you'll get paid off if you show down this hand and next time you have A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] with the same flop.

[SomethingClever]

I haven't finished SSH, but doesn't Ed say somewhere that you shouldn't try to bluff the unbluffable?

6 players with this board at .5/1 on Party? Unbluffable.

Check, call one small bet and see the turn.

Unimproved, you probably have to fold the turn.

[Piiop]

Betting here is a bad idea. Just because you raised preflop doesn't mean you have to put any more money in the pot.

[ArchonsEngine]

Flop: (12.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(6 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero .... </font>

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Just a heads-up: remember to remove the color tag if you don't want us to figure out that you bet here. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

--ArchonsEngine

[Piz0wn0reD!!!!!!]

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Flop: (12.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(6 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero .... </font>

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Just a heads-up: remember to remove the color tag if you don't want us to figure out that you bet here. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

--ArchonsEngine

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[Entity]

Board texture sucks here. That being said, it also depends on the type of game you're in. I've played in a lot where when I raise preflop and autobet the flop, 90% of the field folds. If I'm in the type of game where they autocall my autobet, I'm checking here, and hoping to see the turn for one bet max.

Readless, I probably autobet, but it's not the best board for it. Like the rest of you, I'm working on dealing with overcard hands.

Rob

[kiemo]

two overcards, no redraws, large field, out of position.

Check without a specific read on the table.