I\'m looking for a reason not to give up on this hand....
 

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, Button calls, <font color="666666">2 folds</font>,

Flop: (13.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(6 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds, <font color="CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, CO folds, Button calls, <font color="CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="CC3333">MP2 caps</font>, Button calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (14.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, Button calls, Hero ????

MP2 seems decent enough not to get too far out of line, ie. he has something that beats my hand. There's a ton of bets in the pot but UTG+1 has sprung to life after watching MP2 and I get into a raising war on the flop. Can anyone find a reason here for me to grit my teeth and call?

Re: I\'m looking for a reason not to give up on this hand....
 

Umm... 'cause you like drawing to a gutshot for a split? MP2 screams KJ to me. Do you think UTG+1 will 3-bet?

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Thats a rough raise preflop... Well, lessee here, you have top pair with a good kicker, there's a total rainbow on the board, the pot is really damn big, and I doubt the guy has KJ, since he is forcing a lotta players to call 2 cold.

However, reasons TO fold may outweigh that... Nobody seems to be scared of top pair, or everyone's an absolute maniac. With all that turn action, I dunno if your top pair is good here. MP2 capped the flop and shows no signs of slowing down whatsoever.. 5 outs requires 8:1, which you are just *barely* getting, and if UTG re-raises, you WON'T be getting.. That's 5 outs assuming they're all good, which they may not be. 2 pair may not win anyway, so I'd give you 3.5 or so, and the pot isn't even close to big enough to call for that.

This whole thing reeks of a set to me.. If you have any respect for this player, or NO read for that matter, I'd fold. There's just too much resistance...

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UTG+1 was undeterred by all previous action and comes out firing on the turn showing no fear, I thought there was a reasonable chance he'd 3 bet.

MP2's play felt more like a made hand too me in this situation. Not to say players don't play OESDs like this, just didn't feel like it here.

Re: I\'m looking for a reason not to give up on this hand....
 

Hey razor,
It looks to me like you're up against a set and a str8 or 2 str8s. Fold and wait until a better opportunity.

-Jaran

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MP2 screams KJ to me.

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You wouldnt make 3 ppl cold call 2 if you're drawing an OESD would ya? Or cap after 3 folded and only 3 are left, that's -EV for sure.. I think he'd wait for the turn for that...

I say it's a set...

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Players are way loose at this table, but aren't maniacs. There may be a few crap hands along for the ride but players wouldn't be driving the action with hands that fear TPGK.

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You wouldn't make 3 ppl cold call 2 if you're drawing an OESD would ya?


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Never thought of it that way. Thanks for the insight.

Re: I\'m looking for a reason not to give up on this hand....
 

I'm reading things backwards. UTG+1 has KJ... and he will 3-bet. I like a fold here.

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This was my thinking. I couldn't come up with a reason to continue and folded. UTG+1 3 bet the Turn and MP2 capped.