river
 

pokerstars 5/10 10 handed
no reads.
someone opens in EP....I 3 bet next in with A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]...folds to BB who calls...EP calls.

Flop 3 ways: K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

check, check, I bet, both call.

Turn: A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

check, check, I bet, BB folds, EP calls.

river: Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
EP bets, I................

Re: river
 

I would raise. I think that AQ and KQ are really likely given the action.

Re: river
 

i would raise. if he hit his gutshot or set good for him.

Re: river
 

I call. He's taken a WA/WB line. On this board he either caught you on the river and he'll 3-bet his better hands or, if he missed, he's probably bet/folding and you're not going to gain anything from a raise anyways.

Re: river
 

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I think that AQ and KQ are really likely given the action.

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I don't. KQ gives more action on the flop - especially when he can check raise the BB caller with TPGK. Who c/c the turn and then donks the river with AQ - this hand would more likely either be a turn donk or turn c/r.

Re: river
 

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I think that AQ and KQ are really likely given the action.

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I don't. KQ gives more action on the flop - especially when he can check raise the BB caller with TPGK. Who c/c the turn and then donks the river with AQ - this hand would more likely either be a turn donk or turn c/r.

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I think if villian is taking a WA/WB type line that he is not going crazy on the flop with KQ. Similarly, if he has AQ, he has to be very much afraid of AK, AA, or KK. IMO the only hand we should really be worried about is QQ, and KQ and AQ are more likly.

Re: river
 

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I call. He's taken a WA/WB line. On this board he either caught you on the river and he'll 3-bet his better hands or, if he missed, he's probably bet/folding and you're not going to gain anything from a raise anyways.

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With that thinking, what hands do you put him on then?

Re: river
 

I'd raise and expect to see AQ here a lot of the time. If he 3 bet, I'd make the call and expect to see QQ.

Re: river
 

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I think if villian is taking a WA/WB type line that he is not going crazy on the flop with KQ. Similarly, if he has AQ, he has to be very much afraid of AK, AA, or KK. IMO the only hand we should really be worried about is QQ, and KQ and AQ are more likly.

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Ok - I agree with you. But, I'm still advocating calling because I don't think that raising gets us any extra value. Any hand that's ahead 3-bets. Most hands that are behind (including your KQ/AQ) check/call the river if they want to see showdown - OR - bet/fold the river in an effort to not miss value if they just went ahead.

Then again - perhaps if this player IS donking with AQ/KQ we should be raising because if they're dumb enough to donk the river here they're probably also calling the raise.

Perhaps since we're readless - there's not a significant difference in the EV of between calling/raising.

Re: river
 

Raise.