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Sam T. 12-25-2004 02:16 PM

1st Hand QQ
 
Hero on the button with QQ, $20 SnG.

Two limpers, MP raises to t60, CO re-raises to 200.

Hero?

Calls. I can't fold, but I also know that I'm going to get called by overcards. I'd rather have a look at the flop. If it's yucky, I can get away with a playable stack.

Original raiser folds, so we're heads up. Flop comes J34r, and CO pushes.

Hero?

I called.

Thoughts?

Chief911 12-25-2004 03:05 PM

Re: 1st Hand QQ
 
With a raise and reraise preflop I think you have to push. One of the two calls. If they have AA or KK, so be it, but this is a $20, where play is still a bit looney.

I'd push pre, and I'd push after the flop too.

Nick

bigredlemon 12-25-2004 03:10 PM

Re: 1st Hand QQ
 
I'd fold it.

1. It's early, so none of them are in desperate mode. They don't have to push.

2. He re-raised preflop, which suggests high pair that doesn't want to see the flop. (This is presuming the first raise wasn't a min raise or from a loose player).

3. He pushed on the flop, despite no draws. He either has QQ or KK.

soko 12-25-2004 03:27 PM

Re: 1st Hand QQ
 
looks like he is just trying to end it here to take the 200 call preflop, AJ is the first thing that pops in to my head.

bigredlemon 12-25-2004 03:37 PM

Re: 1st Hand QQ
 
[ QUOTE ]
looks like he is just trying to end it here to take the 200 call preflop, AJ is the first thing that pops in to my head.

[/ QUOTE ]He re-raises to 200 with AJ? I doubt it. High pair is the only thing that makes sense.

Voltron87 12-25-2004 03:45 PM

Re: 1st Hand QQ
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
looks like he is just trying to end it here to take the 200 call preflop, AJ is the first thing that pops in to my head.

[/ QUOTE ]He re-raises to 200 with AJ? I doubt it. High pair is the only thing that makes sense.

[/ QUOTE ]


This is the first hand of a 20$ SNG, you are giving the opponents way too much credit.

soko 12-25-2004 03:58 PM

Re: 1st Hand QQ
 
High pair makes sense too, it's a pretty close call/fold situation, too bad it had to happen on the first hand so you dont have any clue how loose/tight this player is. There are more hands to fear, KK, AA, JJ than hands you have beat, mainly AJ, hell even AK, even so, I am probally pushing because it just looks like a steal to me, if you think you are talented enough to survive shorter stacked after the first hand you can fold.

hyde 12-25-2004 04:07 PM

Re: 1st Hand QQ
 
I'm thinking he has KK, QQ , JJ
and on the first hand at this level (where I play) there is a significant amount of lunacy......
I probably fold this one. Unless I'm in a hurry....even if he has AK he can still beat you too many ways.

Interesting as I think this over, I would not fold KK here, yet would easily fold 10,10........I bet he had JJ..

results please,
hyde

bigredlemon 12-25-2004 04:19 PM

Re: 1st Hand QQ
 
*drum roll*


KK!


OK i don't know for sure but i've got my money on KK.

soko 12-25-2004 04:26 PM

Re: 1st Hand QQ
 
[ QUOTE ]
I'm thinking he has KK, QQ , JJ
and on the first hand at this level (where I play) there is a significant amount of lunacy......
I probably fold this one. Unless I'm in a hurry....even if he has AK he can still beat you too many ways.

Interesting as I think this over, I would not fold KK here, yet would easily fold 10,10........I bet he had JJ..

results please,
hyde

[/ QUOTE ]

I was thinking JJ too, but that's a pretty bold move to make figuring hero would only call with QQ or better and hasn't made any moves to show he has a hand like that.


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