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schwza 08-05-2005 10:29 AM

when the flush draw gets there...
 
2nd hand. on the first hand i led out on a paired flop in an unraised pot and took it down.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

Button (t785)
Hero (t830)
BB (t800)
UTG (t800)
UTG+1 (t800)
UTG+2 (t800)
MP1 (t785)
MP2 (t800)
MP3 (t800)
CO (t800)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls t15, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, MP3 calls t15, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero completes, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (t60) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t45</font>, UTG calls t45, MP3 folds.

Turn: (t150) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t100</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t240</font>, Hero calls t140.

River: (t630) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets t300</font>, hero?

i have 530 left.

durron597 08-05-2005 10:34 AM

Re: when the flush draw gets there...
 
On Live at the Bike yesterday the commentators were talking about how you can't just shut down 100% of the time when the third card to a flush hits. I call the river.

Another option is to check call the turn and check call the river. But I don't like giving a free card to like A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Jx.

tigerite 08-05-2005 10:40 AM

Re: when the flush draw gets there...
 
Yep, gotta call here, I'm afraid. I prefer betting the turn to prevent free cards and also get information. I don't think he raises the turn here with the flush, unless it's a very low one.

Unarmed 08-05-2005 11:24 AM

Re: when the flush draw gets there...
 
[ QUOTE ]

Another option is to check call the turn and check call the river. But I don't like giving a free card to like A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Jx.

[/ QUOTE ]

That's my line. I don't mind giving free cards when I may already be smashed.

pooh74 08-05-2005 12:03 PM

Re: when the flush draw gets there...
 
[ QUOTE ]
2nd hand. on the first hand i led out on a paired flop in an unraised pot and took it down.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

Button (t785)
Hero (t830)
BB (t800)
UTG (t800)
UTG+1 (t800)
UTG+2 (t800)
MP1 (t785)
MP2 (t800)
MP3 (t800)
CO (t800)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls t15, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, MP3 calls t15, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero completes, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (t60) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t45</font>, UTG calls t45, MP3 folds.

Turn: (t150) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t100</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t240</font>, Hero calls t140.

River: (t630) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets t300</font>, hero?

i have 530 left.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'd reraise the turn.

Much of the time. I see villain's line being Ah x, maybe he called the flop bet because he hit his kicker on flop, raised the turn incase a 4th heart came on river, and hit 2 pair on river so value bet it.

Just a scenario besides "he hit his flush so im folding" that you could consider...Id raise all in on the river....

hobbes9324 08-05-2005 12:05 PM

Re: when the flush draw gets there...
 
I don't see how you can get away from the hand.
Especially at lower buy-ins, there are just too many
hands that some donk could be playing that you can beat.

Sometimes, things just suck.

Dr_Jeckyl_00 08-05-2005 12:22 PM

Re: when the flush draw gets there...
 
I have called (when tilting) and folded (when playing well) in this situation. I think more often then not when you are betting into an opponent and then they start betting into you, you're beaten. I would have bet more on the flop b/c I always try to protect my hand with a drawing board. then maybe CR the turn, fold if reraised. In your situation, I would probably fold to his turn raise... it is still early and you have enough chips to play for a while.

Uppercut 08-05-2005 12:51 PM

Re: when the flush draw gets there...
 
The Ace on the river doesn't seem to scare the villian, so it's pretty obvious he wasn't raising the turn with top pair. Unless he has AJo, I don't see how you are ahead after the river. Fold and conserve your remaining chips. 530 is still a lot at level 1.

Matt R. 08-05-2005 12:57 PM

Re: when the flush draw gets there...
 
I fold the river. Your set is almost always beat here, and your stack is really hurting if you call and are wrong.

durron597 08-05-2005 01:04 PM

Re: when the flush draw gets there...
 
[ QUOTE ]
I fold the river. Your set is almost always beat here, and your stack is really hurting if you call and are wrong.

[/ QUOTE ]

Are you joking? He never has AJ here?


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