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Soggy Salmon 06-26-2004 08:53 PM

AQo against a 2+2er
 
Gods, I suck.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="CC3333">UTG+1 <font color="purple">(2+2er)</font> raises</font>, <font color="666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 <font color="purple">(2+2er)</font> calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, 2+2er checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls, 2+2er calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, 2+2er checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB folds, 2+2er calls.

River: (8.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">2+2er bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB
<font color="green">Main Pot: 10.50 BB, between 2+2er and Hero.</font> &gt; <font color="white">Pot won by 2+2er (10.50 BB).</font>

Results in white below: <font color="white">
2+2er shows Jc Kc (full house, kings full of tens).
Hero shows Ah Qd (two pair, kings and tens).
Outcome: 2+2er wins 10.50 BB. [/color

<font color="brown"> Sigh. I should have known. A 2+2er check-calling twice must have meant something. </font>

Sarge85 06-26-2004 09:20 PM

Re: AQo against a 2+2er
 
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<font color="brown"> Sigh. I should have known. A 2+2er check-calling twice must have meant something. </font>

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2+2er should have raised the flop

Sarge [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

bakku 06-26-2004 09:23 PM

Re: AQo against a 2+2er
 
Fold preflop unless you know 2+2er raises lightly. Check the turn.

Soggy Salmon 06-26-2004 09:34 PM

Re: AQo against a 2+2er
 
Yeah, the no raise on the flop really stumped me. I thought if he had a K he would raise, and he would probably raise with AA, QQ, JJ, TT, too. So I thought he either had 99, AJ or AQ like me and would fold to the turn bet.

Tosh 06-26-2004 09:35 PM

Re: AQo against a 2+2er
 
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2+2er should have raised the flop


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I like the line 2+2er took.

sfer 06-26-2004 09:50 PM

Re: AQo against a 2+2er
 
Nah. 2+2er played it fine. Hero could easily have AA/KK/AK/TT, although KK is highly unlikely. 2+2 won the max he could in this hand, although maybe not in the specific hand.

Hero should have checked the turn and folded the river. Also, the preflop 3-bet is a bit suspect unless the 2+2er is me. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Leo Bello 06-26-2004 10:23 PM

Re: AQo against a 2+2er
 
I donīt think 2+2er should have raised the flop, as it is clearly noted, Hero would have fold there.

bakku 06-26-2004 10:27 PM

Re: AQo against a 2+2er
 
Hero would have the odds to call a flop c/r, but I like villain's play here.

detruncate 06-26-2004 10:49 PM

Re: AQo against a 2+2er
 
Second that. An early position raise from a thinking player and I'm not excited about AQ.

Clarkmeister 06-27-2004 12:17 PM

Re: AQo against a 2+2er
 
1. The preflop 3-bet is fine. If he is raising with KJs there (and most 2+2ers will) then you are ok to 3-bet with AQ from late position. If he were UTG but you were UTG+1, it's probabaly still better to fold.

2. The guy with KJ should checkraise the turn, not the flop. No one folds to turn checkraises, especially online. He may even get 3-bet by AA, QQ or JJ that thinks he is making amove. No reason to worry about AK or TT yet, and he's got outs either way.


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