Question to EASTBAY & SNG Ptools experts
 

Total number of players : 4
Seat 4: doobs ( $4040 )
Seat 5: Slainte2000 ( $2430 )
Seat 6: HERO ( $550 )
Seat 8: GERMINDOL ( $980 )
Blinds(150/300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO: Qs 8s
Hero is all-In [550]

I thought it is a standard push, but when i ran this situation in SNGPT I was confused.

When i set up calling ranges like:
BB 22+,A2+,K2+,Q2+,J6+,T7+,76s+
SB 22+,A2s+,A3o+,KTs+,KJo+,QJs
BTN 66+ ATs+ AJ+
The push has positive EV.

But if i make BB calling range 100% (it is actually +EV for BB to call ATC) my push becomes -0,9 %.

So adding to the BB 22+,A2+,K2+,Q2+,J6+,T7+,76s+ hands like 23o against which I am a favorite makes it -EV ???

I understand that 100% call range makes 0% probability to take blinds without a fight, but I think that even going in to a coinflip with my stack is'nt that bad ???


What I am missing? And wuold you really fold that hand ???

Re: Question to EASTBAY & SNG Ptools experts
 

ICM is not taking into account that you are BB next hand.

Re: Question to EASTBAY & SNG Ptools experts
 

This is a good push. Don't worry.

Re: Question to EASTBAY & SNG Ptools experts
 

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ICM is not taking into account that you are BB next hand.

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Only if you told it not to.

eastbay

Re: Question to EASTBAY & SNG Ptools experts
 

One effect of bubble play is that it can be bad for you to be called by a hand over which you are a favorite.

How can that be? Because the chips you stand to lose hurt you far worse than the chips you stand to gain help you.

When a player makes a bad call on the bubble, often it hurts both him AND you. It helps the other players not involved in the hand, who stand a good chance to get an equity boost from the crippling or bust out of you or the caller.

This is one of the more frustrating aspects of SnG play.

eastbay

Re: Question to EASTBAY & SNG Ptools experts
 

That blinds equity is a bit bugged though anyway. I don't know if you ever saw it but there was a post a while back, whereby with the equity modelling on, AA was a fold and not a push even face up. It doesn't take into account the modelling on the EV Fold for the push - which is wrong.

Re: Question to EASTBAY & SNG Ptools experts
 

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That blinds equity is a bit bugged though anyway. I don't know if you ever saw it but there was a post a while back, whereby with the equity modelling on, AA was a fold and not a push even face up.


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If I remember correctly, that was a garbage in, garbage out situation. I can only put so many training wheels on the program. The more flexibility I give people to tweak things, the more ways people are going to find to do analyses that don't make any sense.

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It doesn't take into account the modelling on the EV Fold for the push - which is wrong.

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That's not correct.

eastbay

Re: Question to EASTBAY & SNG Ptools experts
 

There was definitely a bug with it. Wish I could remember the old thread now.

It was when you were on holiday - what date would that be? September ish?

Re: Question to EASTBAY & SNG Ptools experts
 

Found it.

As it turns out I meant "EV No Call" was not being changed to reflect equity modelling.

Re: Question to EASTBAY & SNG Ptools experts
 

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Found it.

As it turns out I meant "EV No Call" was not being changed to reflect equity modelling.

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That's possible. I'll take a look at that.

eastbay