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Dallara 12-10-2004 01:58 AM

Bad push or bad call?
 
Been having a bad run on SNGs lately. Am looking for some feedback on some of my questionable plays. Blinds are 150/300, 4 players. Folded to me in the SB, I push with A-2, called by A-5 which holds up.


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (4 handed) converter

BB <font color="#A500AF">(Villain)</font> (t1140)
UTG (t3695)
Button (t1905)
Hero (t1260)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG folds, Button folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t1260 (All-In)</font>, BB <font color="#A500AF">(Villain)</font> calls t840 (All-In).

Flop: (t2400) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Turn: (t2400) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

River: (t2400) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t2400

Given that we were both about even stacks, I thought that would give me some folding equity. On the other hand, he's got to call $840 to win $1,600 so getting 2:1 he's got pretty good odds to call. Anyone think pushing with A-2 here is clearly wrong? Given the calling odds he's got do I need to wait for a better hand? How about BB calling with A-5? I like my push better than his call, but am interested in any other players thoughts.

ChrisV 12-10-2004 02:05 AM

Re: Bad push or bad call?
 
The push and call are both very standard. Nobody did anything wrong.

Augie 12-10-2004 02:12 AM

Re: Bad push or bad call?
 
Push.

1. You have an A
2. You are attacking the other moderate stack on the bubble, you definately have some folding equity
3. In a couple of hands the blinds will eat up close to half of your stack
4. The blinds will hit you before they hit the villain

There are other reasons I could think of, but with those stack sizes, reason #1 is sufficient.

Augie

Bigwig 12-10-2004 02:28 AM

Re: Bad push or bad call?
 
[ QUOTE ]
The push and call are both very standard. Nobody did anything wrong.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yup. Especially with those stack sizes. I mean, you could debate the call if the BB had something like 8-12BB, but that's not case.

Dallara 12-10-2004 10:05 AM

Re: Bad push or bad call?
 
Thanks all. I thought this play was ok, but I'm just trying to double-check my judgement since I've been losing a bit.

stillnotking 12-10-2004 01:01 PM

Re: Bad push or bad call?
 
I would have made either play in approximately 0.05 seconds. You did fine but didn't win this time (in a way, he got lucky not to split the pot and lose 75 chips). Next tournament...


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