A play that i am seeing a lot at the lower levels that is retarded
 

In the last two or three days, I have seen a ridiculously high amount of players setting traps with hands such as AT, 77, K9. This is a reminder for many of you beginners here who make a play like this that hands like these are to be pushed. The reason for this is that with said hands you tend to be only a 2:1 favorite to someone who is pushing with any two (and sometimes you will actually be an underdog). If you push with said hands, your friend fold equity makes this a much more profitable play as most players who play the bubble properly know to fold all but the best hands with a big stack when pushed into. But then again, everyone here probably already new this.

That is all,
Johnny

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I had someone "trap" me with a7o the other day. They were UTG on the bubble and minraised. I felt it was suspect (weak not strong), had just enough chips to warrant a fold from him, and I pooooshed. He insta-called.

I finished in 4th.

EDIT - it was 5 handed, not 4.

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People that call pushes with Ax (or worse) are laughable. I see this all too often as well, and it'll never go away unfortunately.

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If by setting a trap you mean limping in when blinds are really high and then calling an all-in, they typically aren't intending to set a trap. They just always limp in and then call off their whole stack with marginal holdings, it's just late in the tourney their marginal hands are actually decent hands.

So try to avoid pushing with a mediocre hand after some person limps 20% of their stack at level 5.

Of course if this isn't what you were talking about just ignore me.

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If by setting a trap you mean limping in when blinds are really high and then calling an all-in, they typically aren't intending to set a trap. They just always limp in and then call off their whole stack with marginal holdings, it's just late in the tourney their marginal hands are actually decent hands.

So try to avoid pushing with a mediocre hand after some person limps 20% of their stack at level 5.

Of course if this isn't what you were talking about just ignore me.

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you are on ignore [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] im talking about a limp followed by an instacall or a complete in the blind knowing that i will push any two.

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People that call pushes with Ax (or worse) are laughable. I see this all too often as well, and it'll never go away unfortunately.

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If it never goes away, it is fortunate. Think about it...

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People that call pushes with Ax (or worse) are laughable. I see this all too often as well, and it'll never go away unfortunately.

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I do this often. Laugh at me if you want, i like it. Theres a situation for every move, and situations for this move occurs very often on the bubble.

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People that call pushes with Ax (or worse) are laughable. I see this all too often as well, and it'll never go away unfortunately.

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If it never goes away, it is fortunate. Think about it...

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I disagree, a lot of the hands i push are behind Ax if only slightly. When the blinds are getting high, you dont have a ton of time to wait on 99+, A9+.

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As calf mentions, these are not traps. These people are simply calling because they can't help it.


The full discussion on this topic can be found here: Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs

Irieguy

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Yeah, there ARE situations for every move, but in general I don't like it. When I'm pushing on the bubble I make sure (if I can!) my first push is with a pretty good hand...and then I show it if it's folded to me. I especially like the play with A10+ because it makes the other players reconsider calling with Ax next time I push. Well, that's the idea anyway.

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These aren't traps. They are simply players with hands they like but aren't crazy about who are also getting very itchy as to fulfilling their next need towards self-actualization.

So, they limp b/c their hands looks 'good.' Then they call b/c they can't help themselves.

The funny thing is, in *some* circumstances, these hands are fine trapping hands (HU or even 3 haned) vs. a very aggressive player (Dr. Gammon or whomever that is comes to mind).

Luminous

Re: A play that i am seeing a lot at the lower levels that is retarded
 

I guess I should have kept reading the thread before replying.

Oh well.

Luminous

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People that call pushes with Ax (or worse) are laughable. I see this all too often as well, and it'll never go away unfortunately.

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Any ace is the same as two aces at the 11's.

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At the lower limits? Does this include the $50s? Cause I see it all the time there, too.

I was heads up the other day and I had about 15BB to villains 10BB. He limped and I pushed with AT. He called with Q7. He won, and I couldn't help but ask him: "Trapping with Q7 there?"

That's not an usual occurance, BTW. I'll play 20 or so tonight, and see a dozen or so things as bad or worse than that.

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Any ace is the same as two aces at the 11's.

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I just spit my drink all over myself. I will PM you with the dry cleaning bill shortly.

Re: A play that i am seeing a lot at the lower levels that is retarded
 

My example was in a 55.

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People that call pushes with Ax (or worse) are laughable. I see this all too often as well, and it'll never go away unfortunately.

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Do you really want it to? If so move up immediately.

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In the last two or three days, I have seen a ridiculously high amount of players setting traps with hands such as AT, 77, K9. This is a reminder for many of you beginners here who make a play like this that hands like these are to be pushed. The reason for this is that with said hands you tend to be only a 2:1 favorite to someone who is pushing with any two (and sometimes you will actually be an underdog). If you push with said hands, your friend fold equity makes this a much more profitable play as most players who play the bubble properly know to fold all but the best hands with a big stack when pushed into. But then again, everyone here probably already new this.

That is all,
Johnny

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Are they really setting traps or is this just another case of the "reverse gap" principle?

Scuba

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At the lower limits? Does this include the $50s? Cause I see it all the time there, too.

I was heads up the other day and I had about 15BB to villains 10BB. He limped and I pushed with AT. He called with Q7. He won, and I couldn't help but ask him: "Trapping with Q7 there?"

That's not an usual occurance, BTW. I'll play 20 or so tonight, and see a dozen or so things as bad or worse than that.

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Bigwig, I have seen this many times myself. My usual response, when I lose is, "GG, and thanks for the chance to double up."

This probably isn't as good as just saying GG, but I find it better than flying off the handle. But, how can I be mad at him? It's just the cards, not the player. Besides, he's giving me an overlay along with a 2:1 chance to double up! Thanks for the fish, otherwise this game would be a challenge.

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And you still don't like having a 5:3 edge to double up especially with stack. Getting called sucks. :/

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And you still don't like having a 5:3 edge to double up especially with stack. Getting called sucks. :/

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I'm not sure what you were referring to here, but I'll state the obvious. I'll take getting called with a 2:1 advantage every day (and twice on Sunday). If someone wants to incorrectly spite call me (Gigabet or not), I'll take it.

Emotionally, we all hate it when we lose. Obviously it hurts less when our blind steal runs into bullets, than when someone incorrectly calls. But if your reraise is called by someone laying you huge odds, thank him. Thank the poker Gods for people like him. It was just his time to win. He's probably thinking, "I knew he was bluffing, and I caught him with my Q7o."

Is anyone gonna find me that Evolution of a 2+2er post?

Scuba