Re: Extracting the most (KKKK)
 

Well, if 98% of online poker players are fish like poker prophecy ads suggest, I guess there are more callers than folders :P

Re: Extracting the most (KKKK)
 

Calling their 1/2 pot or pot bet will bring them down to an immediate halt and make them fold to your bet though, won't it? Stop&go, right?

Edit: I guess not necessarily true, it might induce an all-in on some occasions.

The more I think of it, the more I feel as if these situations are a coin-flip rather than anything else.
It seems people might call an all-in just as much as they might fold to a min-bet :\

Re: Extracting the most (KKKK)
 

Not really. You're underestimating their stupidity. Your push will get called more often if it's checked down to the river, but even when you call their bet there are still a lot of players that will think you're on a steal.

Against an aggressive player you could also try the minimum bet on the river to induce a bluff, specially if you called a bet on the flop or the turn.

Re: Extracting the most (KKKK)
 

I've been reading some of strassa's posts lately. FWIW, he suggests leading the flop and check-raising the turn. Check out here and here.

IMHO, Lorinda's advice to river quads is better. You're more likely to get some action from a villian who thinks that his flopped full house is good. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

The Shadow

Re: Extracting the most (KKKK)
 

You're probably right about underestimating their stupidity, these last few days of "variance" have made low-level buy-in party players gods in my mind. I've tasted "tilt" after so many hours of intellectual practice, reading, and actually playing the game--it's embarassing.

I still struggle to find an explanation, which is exactly what a poker player should be avoiding: looking at short-term events as permanent. It's just hard to do as you see your "tiny" (compared to people here) bankroll crumble away at the hands of people playing only for fun, while you study and work on your game all the time.

I'm sure everyone here knows which feeling I'm talking about.

Re: Extracting the most (KKKK)
 

I play the 20s and I have to tell you betting the flop is the way to go; however, I would have bet something like t60. This type of small bet is almost always seen as a weak continuation bet on missed flop (as well it should be seen that way as that's what it usually is at the 20s). My guess is this type of bet will cause the villian to:

A) fold if he is smart -- in which case you wouldn't have made any money anyway.

B) Call as he is on a draw (you're giving him odds to call) and now you are hoping for the flush.

C) reraise as he thinks you are full of crap. If this happens just call and then let him bet the turn. If he doesn't bet small again.

For what it's worth that is my solution.

Ryan

Re: Extracting the most (KKKK)
 

There some important differences here. In those links there were several opponents making it more likely to get called when you bet. In this hand, hero has only one opponent who has already indicated weakness by checking. If there was ever a case for slowplaying, this is it.

Re: Extracting the most (KKKK)
 

Well, both hands were a bit different. Hero wasn't last to act in either and neither were raised preflop.

I think both factors make me more inclined to check the flop in this case.

Re: Extracting the most (KKKK)
 

So on this note, how is 18% ROI for 4-tabling? was this the *ahem*pokergods*ahem* adjusting my ROI to what it should be, or was it simple variance?

I'm not including the option "or do I suck," because you would need more stats and detailed "hand analysis" to determine that.

It just hit me that 18% ROI "might" be normal for continous multi-tabling.