Re: First hand, BB, top and bottom pair
 

Well, I'm busy reading up on triple-draw-lowball so I can't do the math, but you can figure out whether going allin and folding them is more $EV than your check-raise and having two people call with draws.

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I've been thinking of one of the concepts in the Harrington book which says to maximize inducing mistakes in your opponents by betting the most you think they will call incorrectly, so would it be better to encourage more mistakes from them by betting the 400? Or what reasons are there to decide that winning it right here is inherently more important than maximizing the mistake in your opponent?

Or am I misinterpreting HOH?

Re: First hand, BB, top and bottom pair
 

I would say just tread cautiously here. Extract money into the pot and be prepared to fold if a Diamond appears. If someone pushes fold.

Probably not an optimum play from a EV point of view, but important to stay alive in the SNG since your opponents will most likely be irrational fools who will call you with 2d 3d and sometimes bust you.

If you wait they will drop out of the tournament one by one and then you can start playing a more optimal game.

Re: First hand, BB, top and bottom pair
 

I'm agree with meatman and microbet point of view... I would have made a raise of 350-400 .

But I'm still not sure if it is the best move.

Re: First hand, BB, top and bottom pair
 

I'm not necessarily saying it is the right move. I was actually asking in general if people agreed that inducing calling mistakes was more valuable than worrying about winning the stack right there, as HOH seems to suggest.

There are other draws in this hand and, while they may be competing with each other (i.e. not quite the 1/3 chance they hope for), I'm not quite sure what to do on the turn if I bet 400 and it's a scary card. I would think with the flop bet of 400, my fate is probably sealed to the river.

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Reverse implied odds suck.

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I would say just tread cautiously here. Extract money into the pot and be prepared to fold if a Diamond appears. If someone pushes fold.

Probably not an optimum play from a EV point of view, but important to stay alive in the SNG since your opponents will most likely be irrational fools who will call you with 2d 3d and sometimes bust you.

If you wait they will drop out of the tournament one by one and then you can start playing a more optimal game.

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You've got it backwards. You *want* to play pots with weaker players, because they will make more, and more costly, mistakes.

Re: First hand, BB, top and bottom pair
 

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I've been thinking of one of the concepts in the Harrington book which says to maximize inducing mistakes in your opponents by betting the most you think they will call incorrectly, so would it be better to encourage more mistakes from them by betting the 400? Or what reasons are there to decide that winning it right here is inherently more important than maximizing the mistake in your opponent?

Or am I misinterpreting HOH?

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If you're saying that pushing would prevent your opponents from making the mistake of calling, but C/Ring it to 400 would allow them to make the mistake of calling, I don't think you're misinterpreting HOH. However, I don't think HOH's advice is suited for a Party STT, because the stacks are so short and the blinds rise so quickly. Harrington's advice applies more easily to a MTT when you have a larger stack to play with so you aren't crippled if you lose the hand to a draw that hits. You have to decide what is more important for you right now - picking up the pot in front of you (which will lead you to push and hopefully get all draws that have a reasonable chance of beating you to fold, but will minimize the amount you might win), or by trying to induce your opponents to make mistakes by calling when they don't have the odds (problem here is that if the draw hits, you're crippled).

Personally, I go for the push (and hope to get called by an underpair) because I want to increase my starting stack by 50% and don't mind if the draws fold to me.

ts-

Re: First hand, BB, top and bottom pair
 

Since you are The Student, do you want an assignment?

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I've been thinking of one of the concepts in the Harrington book which says to maximize inducing mistakes in your opponents by betting the most you think they will call incorrectly, so would it be better to encourage more mistakes from them by betting the 400? Or what reasons are there to decide that winning it right here is inherently more important than maximizing the mistake in your opponent?

Or am I misinterpreting HOH?

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If you're saying that pushing would prevent your opponents from making the mistake of calling, but C/Ring it to 400 would allow them to make the mistake of calling, I don't think you're misinterpreting HOH. However, I don't think HOH's advice is suited for a Party STT, because the stacks are so short and the blinds rise so quickly. Harrington's advice applies more easily to a MTT when you have a larger stack to play with so you aren't crippled if you lose the hand to a draw that hits. You have to decide what is more important for you right now - picking up the pot in front of you (which will lead you to push and hopefully get all draws that have a reasonable chance of beating you to fold, but will minimize the amount you might win), or by trying to induce your opponents to make mistakes by calling when they don't have the odds (problem here is that if the draw hits, you're crippled).

Personally, I go for the push (and hope to get called by an underpair) because I want to increase my starting stack by 50% and don't mind if the draws fold to me.

ts-

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while an absolute gem of a book, harrington's reccomendatioins on the stt's do not work well in party's structure.