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durron597 07-15-2005 09:44 AM

Re: some hands i wasnt sure about at the 22s
 
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I couldn't disagree with you more. You have a limited stack, why the hell would you want to play a big pot with AJ? I like the rest of your lines though (besides 1)

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1) I have position
2) I don't mind winning the money in the pot right now with my stack size
3) I don't want to see a flop like A77 in an unraised pot
4) This is a $22, I will get called by hands I dominate
5) I'm soooooooooooooooted

willbb99 07-15-2005 10:13 AM

Re: some hands i wasnt sure about at the 22s
 
I think that many of the problems that you face are a result of raising with marginal hands out of position. Avoiding these situations and you won't face as many tough decisions.

1. Fold: miniraise by the short stack smells like a big pair
2. Fold: for reasons that everyone else said
3. Fold: Out of position with marginal hand and someone saying that they have a real hand
4. Fold: Your hand loses a lot of value since it's not the first to show aggression
5. Call: AQ and AK wouldn't have limped (raising wouldn't be bad here either)

Sorry I repeated a lot of other people's advice but I think it's worth repeating.

schwza 07-15-2005 10:29 AM

Re: some hands i wasnt sure about at the 22s
 
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Hand #1 AJs

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed)

BB (t770)
UTG (t1470)
MP1 (t1560)
MP2 (t690)
Hero (t805)
Button (t2195)
SB (t510)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A, J.
2 folds, MP2 raises to t200, Hero???
Feels like an easy push, but I'm pretty much done if I lose and I don't think he's folding.

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i'd fold. if you were the BB, it'd be a much closer decision, but i'd hate to push and have somebody behind wake up with KK.

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Hand #2 QTo

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (6 handed)

MP (t782)
CO (t265)
Button (t2839)
SB (t1454)
BB (t535)
Hero (t2125)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T, Q.
Hero??


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BB will call with crappy hands like A5 and K8, so i'd let this one go.

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Hand #3 KJo

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed)

MP2 (t1087)
CO (t340)
Button (t2489)
SB (t1718)
BB (t736)
UTG (t380)
Hero (t1250)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K, J.
1 fold, Hero raises to t275, 2 folds, Button raises to t2489 (All-In), 2 folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t2914


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i like your line.

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Hand #4 KQo

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (6 handed)

Hero (t740)
BB (t1525)
UTG (t730)
MP (t880)
CO (t2885)
Button (t1240)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, K.
1 fold, MP raises to t250, 2 folds, Hero???,
Again, feels like an easy push, but I'm done if I lose and I don't think he's folding.

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AQ is a push here, but KQ is not strong enough.


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Hand #5 AJs flop A77

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (7 handed)

Hero (t1295)
SB (t1455)
BB (t970)
UTG (t570)
MP1 (t1280)
MP2 (t1685)
CO (t745)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, J.
2 folds, MP2 calls t30, 1 fold, Hero calls t30, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t120) 7, 7, A (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP2 bets t120, Hero???

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i agree with others that a 7 usually (incorrectly, imo) checks, but i think that includes the blinds. i'd call the flop. if the blinds drop, i'm getting all the chips and planning on stacking Ax. if either blind plays, i'm out.

45suited 07-15-2005 10:53 AM

Re: some hands i wasnt sure about at the 22s
 


[/ QUOTE ]Hand #1 AJs

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed)

BB (t770)
UTG (t1470)
MP1 (t1560)
MP2 (t690)
Hero (t805)
Button (t2195)
SB (t510)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A, J.
2 folds, MP2 raises to t200, Hero???
Feels like an easy push, but I'm pretty much done if I lose and I don't think he's folding.

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Pretty easy fold, unless MP2 has been a habitual mini-raiser. Only then would I push.

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Hand #2 QTo

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (6 handed)

MP (t782)
CO (t265)
Button (t2839)
SB (t1454)
BB (t535)
Hero (t2125)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T, Q.
Hero??

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Easiest fold ever

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Hand #3 KJo

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed)

MP2 (t1087)
CO (t340)
Button (t2489)
SB (t1718)
BB (t736)
UTG (t380)
Hero (t1250)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K, J.
1 fold, Hero raises to t275, 2 folds, Button raises to t2489 (All-In), 2 folds, Hero folds.

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I wouldn't have raised to begin with, just folded. Good fold after your raise though.

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Hand #4 KQo

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (6 handed)

Hero (t740)
BB (t1525)
UTG (t730)
MP (t880)
CO (t2885)
Button (t1240)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, K.
1 fold, MP raises to t250, 2 folds, Hero???,
Again, feels like an easy push, but I'm done if I lose and I don't think he's folding.

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Easy fold

Hand #5 AJs flop A77

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (7 handed)

Hero (t1295)
SB (t1455)
BB (t970)
UTG (t570)
MP1 (t1280)
MP2 (t1685)
CO (t745)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, J.
2 folds, MP2 calls t30, 1 fold, Hero calls t30, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t120) 7, 7, A (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP2 bets t120, Hero???

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Preflop: I can see calling or raising here. Depends on my feel for the table I guess. There is certainly nothing wrong with raising. You have position and a good hand. It IS actually possible to raise and see a flop in a SNG.


Having just called pre-flop, I call the bet. If either blind calls, I'm shutting down. I would refuse to go broke on this hand. If MP2 bets hard on the turn, I'll let it go. It's not worth it. If he puts out a weak turn bet, I'll probably just call again. If he doesn't have the 7, he likely will think that you're slow playing a 7 and you have him beat anyway. For example, if he bets 200 on the turn, I'll call again, but if he pushes the river, I'll fold and keep a playable stack. I don't think that most opponents in this spot would push the river without a 7, when you are the stack that could cripple him. Raising him does not accomplish much, other than not letting him bluff you off the hand. Given that you did not raise pre-flop, I would refuse to go broke on the hand.

dethgrind 07-15-2005 02:35 PM

Re: some hands i wasnt sure about at the 22s
 
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5) Raise to 300, and plan to fold to a push. A 7 wouldnt be betting full pot into you on a drawless board, and you're probably ahead of any ace (AK or AQ in MP raises preflop). Raising preflop wouldnt be a bad idea either.

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So it turns out I did raise to 300. The blinds folded and the bettor min-reraised me, making it 180 more to me. Now what?

schwza 07-15-2005 02:55 PM

Re: some hands i wasnt sure about at the 22s
 
i'd fold.


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