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Old 07-15-2005, 04:21 AM
dethgrind dethgrind is offline
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Default some hands i wasnt sure about at the 22s

Hand #1 AJs

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed)

BB (t770)
UTG (t1470)
MP1 (t1560)
MP2 (t690)
Hero (t805)
Button (t2195)
SB (t510)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to t200</font>, Hero???
Feels like an easy push, but I'm pretty much done if I lose and I don't think he's folding.

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Hand #2 QTo

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (6 handed)

MP (t782)
CO (t265)
Button (t2839)
SB (t1454)
BB (t535)
Hero (t2125)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero??

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Hand #3 KJo

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed)

MP2 (t1087)
CO (t340)
Button (t2489)
SB (t1718)
BB (t736)
UTG (t380)
Hero (t1250)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t275</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t2489 (All-In)</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t2914

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Hand #4 KQo

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (6 handed)

Hero (t740)
BB (t1525)
UTG (t730)
MP (t880)
CO (t2885)
Button (t1240)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to t250</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero???</font>,
Again, feels like an easy push, but I'm done if I lose and I don't think he's folding.

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Hand #5 AJs flop A77

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (7 handed)

Hero (t1295)
SB (t1455)
BB (t970)
UTG (t570)
MP1 (t1280)
MP2 (t1685)
CO (t745)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls t30, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls t30, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t120) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets t120</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero???</font>
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Old 07-15-2005, 04:44 AM
DJ Sensei DJ Sensei is offline
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Default Re: some hands i wasnt sure about at the 22s

1) probably fold, a shortstack minraise screams big hand that wants more chips, and you arent too desperate yet.

2) Easy fold: QTo sucks and you certainly dont want to double anybody with a real hand up.

3) Good fold after the raise, you're behind any ace or pair (very likely hands for villain), and still, you arent desperate here. Folding preflop wouldnt have been a bad idea either.

4) Again, the preflop raise by a short stack says he's stronger than KQo. Fold so you don't double him up.

5) Raise to 300, and plan to fold to a push. A 7 wouldnt be betting full pot into you on a drawless board, and you're probably ahead of any ace (AK or AQ in MP raises preflop). Raising preflop wouldnt be a bad idea either.

The common problem in several of these problems is: You can push moderate hands on the bubble, but you shouldnt be calling with them. Only call with very good hands. Also, don't make raises without FE unless you will probably still have the best hand if called.
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Old 07-15-2005, 04:44 AM
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Default Re: some hands i wasnt sure about at the 22s

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Hand #1 AJs

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed)

BB (t770)
UTG (t1470)
MP1 (t1560)
MP2 (t690)
Hero (t805)
Button (t2195)
SB (t510)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to t200</font>, Hero???
Feels like an easy push, but I'm pretty much done if I lose and I don't think he's folding.

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I fold. You'll have plenty of fold equity in later steal situations. If you don't feel like he's folding, AJs is not a hand I'm willing to let my tournament life ride on when there's still plenty of poker to be played.

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Hand #2 QTo

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (6 handed)

MP (t782)
CO (t265)
Button (t2839)
SB (t1454)
BB (t535)
Hero (t2125)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero??

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Folds. This hand is trash, and you have everyone left to act behind you.


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Hand #3 KJo

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed)

MP2 (t1087)
CO (t340)
Button (t2489)
SB (t1718)
BB (t736)
UTG (t380)
Hero (t1250)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t275</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t2489 (All-In)</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t2914

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I don't raise with that hand in the first place when I'm that early to act, and have a stack I can work with. I fold, and wait for a better hand.

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Hand #4 KQo

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (6 handed)

Hero (t740)
BB (t1525)
UTG (t730)
MP (t880)
CO (t2885)
Button (t1240)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to t250</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero???</font>,
Again, feels like an easy push, but I'm done if I lose and I don't think he's folding.

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Why is this an easy push? You have KQo against a non big stack aggressor who has you covered. I fold.

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Hand #5 AJs flop A77

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (7 handed)

Hero (t1295)
SB (t1455)
BB (t970)
UTG (t570)
MP1 (t1280)
MP2 (t1685)
CO (t745)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls t30, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls t30, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t120) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets t120</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero???</font>

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What 7s is MP2 limping with here, and what A hands that beat you is he not raising preflop? As it stands, I'm more than happy to try to get an overcall out of the SB or BB here before pushing on the turn.
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Old 07-15-2005, 05:29 AM
Weatherhead03 Weatherhead03 is offline
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Default Re: some hands i wasnt sure about at the 22s

1)Push..if not this hand you could not get a hand for a while and be blinded to nothing.
2)Fold..UTG QTo is not a good combo
3)Fold KJo is not a good enough hand to call that big of a raise.
4)Push 7.5 BB with many players to go until the money hits I think that equals push.
5)Fold...too early, wait for a better place to get the chips in.
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Old 07-15-2005, 05:43 AM
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Default Re: some hands i wasnt sure about at the 22s

So, I'm gonna give this a shot and see how I turn out.

Hand 1: Push
Hand 2: Fold (you're UTG, only have Q-high -- not only is it likely a small stack has you beat and might call, you're also in good chip position but covered by Button -- if he has AQ or better, you could skeerood)
Hand 3: So read-dependent...I wouldn't have raised this in the first place from CO+2 -- I'd fold b/c big stack is willing to switch chip position with you over this hand...can't imagine he's not at least A-high, and you maintain decent equity if you fold. Obviously, if he was a total maniac who was clearly bullying, you might lean more towards a call...
Hand 4: Yep, push him in -- he might be on a wide range here, gotta put him to the test...if you're beaten, so be it.
Hand 5: Raise him to about 300 and see what he's about then. Big stack with a hint of bullying in him may have A-high, or a medium pocket pair and be trying to take down the pot based on nothing but his stack.
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Old 07-15-2005, 05:45 AM
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Default Re: some hands i wasnt sure about at the 22s

Hand 1: I'd usually fold. If I know hes an idiot I'll push.

Hand 2: fold

Hand 3: I think I want to be 1 or 2 spots closer to the button before i open with KJ.

Hand 4: You are overvalueing goodish hands in raised pots (this one and the AJ hand) these hands lose a lot of value when you aren't the one showing aggression. This is an easy fold.

Hand 5: I'd call.

a) I want to see what the blinds do.
b) I want to keep the pot small.
c) If I have the best hand, its unlikely to get outdrawn.
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Old 07-15-2005, 09:28 AM
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Default Re: some hands i wasnt sure about at the 22s

Hand 1) Ow. This is the kind of hand where I really like to have a read. If he folded his way to level 4 then I fold.
Hand 2) Can't fold fast enough.
Hand 3) Fold preflop, you are out of position, KJ is a bad hand. If the blinds were bigger (you have less than 7x) you can play this hand, but with 12x you really can't.
Hand 4) Think about his hand range... Even if it's A7+, KJ+, 55+ this is a fold.
Hand 5) I like to raise this preflop, BECAUSE it's my button. Makes this hand much easier to play postflop IMHO.
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Old 07-15-2005, 09:38 AM
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Default Re: some hands i wasnt sure about at the 22s

1) fold...u have hardly an FE as villian is practically pot committed...ajs is great in this scenario if an unraised pot, but once the pot is raised, beware
2) fold...you have 14x bb and qt is a crap hand and you are utg
3) i wouldn't have raised with kj in the first place...good fold
4) fold...again, it's a raised pot and kq isn't really a good hand...mp is basically pot commited
5) that's the problem with unraised pf...he could easily have a 7 in his hand..i'd fold, not worth it


when u are getting closer to 5x bb, ajs and kq are great hands to get if you are first in the pot, but once someone even calls, much less raises, they lose value very quickly and i'd fold...i'd rather have k9 in an unraised pot on the button than kq in a raised pot
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Old 07-15-2005, 09:39 AM
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Default Re: some hands i wasnt sure about at the 22s

I lean towards folding all 5 of these hands preflop.
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Old 07-15-2005, 09:41 AM
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Hand 5) I like to raise this preflop, BECAUSE it's my button. Makes this hand much easier to play postflop IMHO.

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I couldn't disagree with you more. You have a limited stack, why the hell would you want to play a big pot with AJ? I like the rest of your lines though (besides 1)
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