Two "quiz" questions

[DeadRed]

Question #1) Find the best "draw" possible -

Construct your hand, your opponents hand, and a flop such that

A. You are currently "behind". Meaning if the cards were to stop, your hand is lower ranking. They flopped trips to your pair, a pair to your high card, etc.

B. You have the greatest chance of winning the hand. Use of the available simulators to calculate your chances.

My best is a 69.2% winner according to http://www.twodimes.net/poker/

Question #2) What exactly does it take to flop the "stone cold nuts". (A hand that no matter what an opponent holds and the turn and river are, you cannot be beat) ?

Make sure to include ALL such situations.

Have fun. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Lost Wages]

#1.
My first guess, J /images/graemlins/spade.gifT /images/graemlins/spade.gif vs. 2 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif2 /images/graemlins/heart.gif flop is 9 /images/graemlins/spade.gif8 /images/graemlins/spade.gif6 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif. JT is a 72:28 favorite.

#2
I think that the worst hand that would be the absoulte nuts is a five high straight flush where you hold the A5.

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Edit: I keep changing my answer to #2!

[Richie Rich]

1) Beat ya on my first attempt...
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=373002
pokenum -h 2s 2d - 9c tc -- 7c 8c qh
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 8c 7c Qh
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
2s 2d 274 27.68 707 71.41 9 0.91 0.281
Tc 9c 707 71.41 274 27.68 9 0.91 0.719


2) To flop the "stone cold nuts" means that you have the best possible hand on the flop...but things have been known to change when the turn and river cards fall.

[RocketManJames]

The following assumes that you meant greatest pot equity, and not greatest % of an outright win.

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=373145

pokenum -h 6d 2d - 4h 3h -- 5s 5h 7h
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 5s 7h 5h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
6d 2d 101 10.20 573 57.88 316 31.92 0.262
4h 3h 573 57.88 101 10.20 316 31.92 0.738

[Thythe]

Richie, for #2 he means a hand that is not only the nuts on the flop, but can not be beaten no matter what the turn and river cards are. This is a tough question as even AQ with a QQQ flop could be beaten by a royal/straight flush by the end.

[Thythe]

Lost Wages,
I was trying to think of a worse hand, but I think you might have it...I'll try to come up with one worse, though.

[TomCollins]

AKh, flop is QJTh

[daryn]

he said include ALL such hands

if you have A /images/graemlins/heart.gifK /images/graemlins/heart.gif and the flop is Q /images/graemlins/heart.gifJ /images/graemlins/heart.gifT /images/graemlins/heart.gif you cannot lose the hand, but you also cannot lose if you hold

K /images/graemlins/heart.gifQ /images/graemlins/heart.gif and the flop comes 9 /images/graemlins/heart.gifT /images/graemlins/heart.gifJ /images/graemlins/heart.gif

also if you hold K /images/graemlins/heart.gifJ /images/graemlins/heart.gif and the flop comes 9 /images/graemlins/heart.gifT /images/graemlins/heart.gifQ /images/graemlins/heart.gif you can't lose

of course there are other combinations of hole cards you could have to flop the royal flush, but they are obvious

[TomCollins]

Any non idiot-end of a straight flush should do it. I don't think so.

[R Petty]

I'm not sure of these percentages (I've never used and couldn't get the simulator to work)

I was playing an online tournament a few nights ago. It was after the two hour mark and I was in the middle of the field with about 5500T. I forgot the blinds; maybe 50-100. The table has been fairly tight and unagressive. UTG + 1 calls folded to me in the SB with K /images/graemlins/heart.gif J /images/graemlins/heart.gif. I raise to 750, BB folds, and UTG + 1 calls.

FLOP 3 /images/graemlins/spade.gif 10 /images/graemlins/heart.gif Q /images/graemlins/heart.gif

I didn't have a made hand; but I figured almost any card peeled would make me a winner. I bet out 2000T and they call. Turn blank (well for my hand atleast). I bet all-in and they call. He shows 44----the river pairs the 3 on the end and I get knocked out.

I had to be a huge favorite on the flop to many hands especially 44.

Petty

[M.B.E.]

[ QUOTE ]
I didn't have a made hand; but I figured almost any card peeled would make me a winner.

[/ QUOTE ]
You had either 20 or 21 outs. Hardly "almost any card"; in fact, not even a majority of them.

On the flop you were about a 7-to-3 favourite.

[ZeeJustin]

My answer to question 2: Any straight flush where one of your hole cards is ten or higher.

[Lost Wages]

You have the absolute nuts with any straight flush where you hold the top card. For the five high, you need to hold the 5 and A.

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[DeadRed]

I've been on vacation for 2 weeks and am glad to see such interesting results. My "best draw" was quickly beat by a number of others and some of the constructions are very interesting. The second question has finally been "team" answered. You need one of the two above situations to happen, either 1) Hold a card in a str. fl. that is T or higher or 2) Hold the top card in the str. fl., needing both the A and 5 if it is the wheel. More quiz fun to come later!