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Noodles

05-15-2004, 12:21 PM

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
Hero calls, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, CO folds, Button calls, SB raises, BB 3-bets, Hero folds, MP2 calls, Button calls, SB bets $3.24 (All-In), BB calls, MP2 calls, Button calls.
Usually when someones 2 bets from the blinds it means a pretty good hand,but also the sb might be just messing as he has not much money left,good or bad fold?
Flop: (13.96 SB) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players, 1 all-in) 
BB bets, MP2 calls, Button calls.

Turn: (8.48 BB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players, 1 all-in) 
BB bets, MP2 calls, Button calls.

River: (11.48 BB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players, 1 all-in) 
BB bets, MP2 folds, Button calls.

Final Pot: 13.48 BB
Main Pot: 6.98 BB, between Button, SB and BB. > Pot won by BB (6.98 BB).
Pot 2: 6.50 BB, between Button and BB. > Pot won by BB (6.50 BB).

Results in white below: 
SB shows Js Ad (one pair, jacks).
BB shows Qs Qc (three of a kind, queens).
Button shows 6h Jh (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: BB wins 13.48 BB.

balkii

05-15-2004, 01:39 PM

Consider raising preflop.

After that... If BB plays like me he can reraise with a wide range of holdings to attempt to isolate the sb who appears to be racking off, with probably a sup-par holding.

I dont think i'd fold. If I was feeling reaaaaaaaaaly crazy and had the proper reads I might cap. But you can probably count on the other guys to come in behind if you just call, even for 2 more bets. You're getting like 6:1 if they both call.

Haupt_234

05-15-2004, 01:43 PM

I'de play it the same. I think it's too tough to raise with 99 UTG and believe the limp is the better option. I save UTG raises for pocket pairs 1010+.

After a flop of two overs, it doesn't look good for your hand at all. Easy check/fold.

Haupt_234

balkii

05-15-2004, 01:49 PM

I think it's too tough to raise with 99 UTG and believe the limp is the better option

Look at the table - an UTG limp and only 2 others came in behind him. Sounds like a raise has a good chance of limiting this field. Would you rather have 99 out of position in a 3 or 4 way pot, or possibly get it heads-up with position versus one of the blinds?

Dylan Wade

05-15-2004, 01:59 PM

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I dont think i'd fold. If I was feeling reaaaaaaaaaly crazy and had the proper reads I might cap

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I almost wonder if capping is better than calling. You have position on the raisers, and you're getting pretty much the same action whether it be for 3 Sb or 4 SB. Though by putting in the fourth bet you gain all sorts of value esp against passive players... dare I say a free card? I kinda think I'd rather be in this pot for four bets with the lead on betting+position than limping twice preflop...

Haupt_234

05-15-2004, 02:01 PM

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Look at the table - an UTG limp and only 2 others came in behind him.

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That was this instance but the poster did not specify the table and I assume it was typical. In a typical table, there will be more limpers.

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Would you rather have 99 out of position in a 3 or 4 way pot

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I would rather raise 99 UTG knowing I could get it heads up. Since this can usually never be possible, I would limp and play it like a drawing hand.

Haupt_234

LAGmaniac

05-15-2004, 02:07 PM

It's definitely raise or fold here and I like the fold. You are definitely going to be seeing this flop against at least two other opponents (SB and BB) but at 2/4 will probably get 3 or 4 with a hand that is very vunerable to overcards. I'd don't like investing 4sb pf when you likely have to make a set to win. Good Fold.

bernie

05-15-2004, 02:25 PM

Im seeing the flop on this one. If you hit your set, overpairs will pay you off nicely. Beware of a A, K, or Q on the flop. Youll find out on the turn if you're possibly up against an overset.

Sometimes i limp here, sometimes i raise.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9, 9.
Hero calls, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, CO folds, Button calls, SB raises, BB 3-bets, Hero folds,

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This is about all the HH we really need. Postflop doesnt matter.

b