Stepping up to a higher limit full of fish

[NuttedUp]

I have been playing for less than a year. Since January I have been keeping stats on my play. In that time I have played 77hrs in AC and at the $3-$6 limit. My earn rate is $19.26/hr at that limit. I don't ahve problems with discipline and I can read the fish at that level like a book.

I have an open invitation to a weekly game full of Greek drug dealers with no respect for money and even less poker skill. Two of my friends have been killing the game for the past few weeks. They are telling me that people are capping it preflop with 5 /images/graemlins/club.gif 8 /images/graemlins/club.gif and going to the river with any pocket pair. There is one guy in the game who barely speaks English and looses about $2000 - $3000 everytime he plays. He has repeatedly misread his hand and had to be told what it is when flips it over.

The only problem is that my poker bankroll is $2000 and they play a $10-$20 limit. I am running a fairly high risk of ruin at this limit and with the aggressive nature of the game. Do you think that the potential earn in this game is worth the risk?

[Dynasty]

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I have an open invitation to a weekly game full of Greek drug dealers...Do you think that the potential earn in this game is worth the risk?

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I heard today that some guys robbed a cash register out of a store in the Boston area. When they heard a police car chasing them, they ditched the register and hid in some bushes. Unknown to them, a roll of register tape came out and provided a trail for the police to find the criminals in their hiding spot.

It's sometimes amazing how people's desire for money allows them to demonstrate how stupid people can be.

[NuttedUp]

Please don't focus on the fact that some of the players are drug dealers. The game is safe and legitimate. I was just asking the question in terms of risk of ruin in bankroll terms.

[LondonBroil]

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Please don't focus on the fact that some of the players are drug dealers.

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Why even mention that they are Greek drug dealers then?

[NuttedUp]

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Why even mention that they are Greek drug dealers then?

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To try to emphasize the fact that they are not poker players. Just guys who like to take risk and have a lot of money.

[Mike Gallo]

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Please don't focus on the fact that some of the players are drug dealers. The game is safe and legitimate. I was just asking the question in terms of risk of ruin in bankroll terms.

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Sounds like an oxymoron.

[NuttedUp]

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Please don't focus on the fact that some of the players are drug dealers. The game is safe and legitimate. I was just asking the question in terms of risk of ruin in bankroll terms.


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Sounds like an oxymoron.

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Just because a person sells drugs it does not mean he is going to kill you, rob you or threaten you. There are metal detectors at the door and security. The game is run by a guy who has no interest in the game. He just collects rake. The game is dealt by hired professional dealers.

[andyfox]

There's at least one guy who doesn't seem to care that he loses up to $3,000 a week and your bankroll is $2,000 total. Plus the guys who play are criminals who have no respect for money. Who knows what else they have no respect for.

I suppose it depends on your definition of "ruin."

[bernie]

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Since January I have been keeping stats on my play. In that time I have played 77hrs in AC and at the $3-$6 limit. My earn rate is $19.26/hr at that limit. I don't ahve problems with discipline and I can read the fish at that level like a book.

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In 4 months a whole 77 hours to base your skill on.

Hey, go for it. Keep an eye on the door, though. No honor among criminals. Especially when they dont really know you or who you are.

If you get bit, however, as many have responded, you have no one to blame but yourself. Common sense says to find a different game. Especially if these dealers are rolling in that kind of cash. They sound like a little above your common street peddler.

good luck.

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[Thomsen]

all greek drugdealers ?

Why dont you join a small boilerroom and start pitching the chinese mafia while youre at it ?

[3rdEye]

Is anyone else reminded of Rounders?

[lostinthought]

Does anybody else think this might be a fake post?

[MicroBob]

"To try to emphasize the fact that they are not poker players. Just guys who like to take risk and have a lot of money. "


in that case you could try saying "i've been invited to a game with a bunch of guys who don't play well and have a lot of money."

this whole bit about you wanting to play with greek drug-dealers is a bit hilarious. do you value your fingers??

btw, just because you don't KNOW of these dealers getting into any more violent activity doesn't mean they haven't in the past.


as far as your bankroll is concerned....if it's a 10-20 limit game and you have $2k then you are looking at 100BB's....given the wild nature of the game, even extremely playing extremely tight you still run a significant risk of ruin.


70 hours X 30 hds/hr = 2100 hds.

even if you want to round up the hours and the hds per hour to a total of 3000 you still have a ludicrously small sample size and have not even come close to proving that you are a winning player.

in comparison....some of the successful internet-grinders around here play up to 2k hands in a single day.....and every single winning player i know of has had stretches where they lose over the course of a day (or 2k hands)....


back to the drug-dealers for a sec.....how do you know so many details about the place where they play?? have you been there?? have you hung out with these guys outside the casino environment (maybe that's not where you met them in the first place i suppose).
the fact that they have professional dealers makes it no more or less legitimate in my mind.


this does not sound like a particularly good idea for a variety of reasons....but since you aren't bothered by the potential danger of the clientele, then perhaps you will be persuaded by the actual numbers...you're bankroll is a bit smallish, especially for a wild-game....and you dont have enough hands under your belt to really be able to tell whether you are a winning player.

somehow, i have doubts as to whether even these facts will keep you from checking out the game.

[mackthefork]

Is it

Never look a gift horse in the mouth.

or

Beware of Greeks baring gifts. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

lol do me a favour, you 'avin a larf!

[The Bear]

Your risk of ruin is way too high. Unless you run hot right away, you will go broke in that game. The key is its super-aggressive nature. If it were loose-passive, you might be able to give it a shot, but loose-aggressive means you have little chance of survival.

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In that time I have played 77hrs in AC and at the $3-$6 limit. My earn rate is $19.26/hr at that limit.

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This is not enough to prove that you're a winning player, though you'd probably still have an edge in the Greek game. Also, expect your win rate to stabilize somewhere around $10-12/hr., if you're really good.

[J.A.Sucker]

I'm sure that this game will be on the up-and-up. They probably won't bother to have paper in because they'll just rob you if you win.

[Tosh]

There are many reasons to avoid this game that have been discussed and hardly any to play in it.

[Ulysses]

I play in this game w/ my buddies Cristos and Archie. They are good guys and we are all legit. I would suggest playing in it, it is an incredibly easy game. You should go ahead and get a marker for a few thousand more from us so you have the right bankroll.