Hand from a 10+1 PP SnG.

[DCIAce]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG (t645)
MP (t1845)
DCIAce (t2165)
Button (t1390)
SB (t1080)
BB (t875)

Preflop: DCIAce is CO with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls t50, MP folds, <font color="CC3333">DCIAce raises to t450</font>, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, <font color="CC3333">UTG raises to t645 (All-In)</font>, DCIAce calls t195.

Flop: (t1365) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(2 players, 1 all-in) </font>

Turn: (t1365) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(2 players, 1 all-in) </font>

River: (t1365) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(2 players, 1 all-in) </font>

Final Pot: t1365
<font color="#990066">Main Pot: t1365 (t1365), between UTG and DCIAce.</font> &gt; <font color="white">Pot won by DCIAce (t1365).</font>

Results in white below: <font color="white">
UTG shows 6c 6s (two pair, nines and sixes).
DCIAce shows As Qs (straight, queen high).
Outcome: DCIAce wins t1365. </font>

Anyways, does anyone like this preflop play? People at the low-limit SnGs are notorious for limp-calling any Ace, KQ, KJ, and small pairs.
Main reason I bothered posting this, was that the guy that lost the hand stuck around for an hour badgering me about how bad the play was. He acted like I put some horrible beat on him, and harped about how he played the hand well. Am I the only one that counts two large errors there (preflop limp and throwing off the rest of his stack preflop with garbage)?

[Edge34]

You were fine - if I was going to raise the guy (and I was, believe me), I probably would've cut out the middle man and just raised enough to put him all-in anyways before the flop.

Ignore foolish ranting from a guy who got in a race situation with a low pair and was upset when you hit one of your 10 outs with a hand like AQ /images/graemlins/spade.gif.

This thing took AN HOUR to finish with only 5 left? /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

-Edge

[ThePopinjay]

Only problem here is that you raised so much, it'd be very hard to get away from this one. What would you have done if the button pushed all-in?

[Edge34]

You're right, a slightly smaller raise may have also been in order, but that only invites the later players to come in cheaper.

A better play here probably would have been, as the intent was to isolate the short stack (I can only assume, because otherwise then I DEFINITELY don't raise this big, for just the possibility of someone coming in bigger), just move all-in yourself. You're not a big dog to anything but KK and AA if those HAPPEN to be behind you, and you're good against most non-paired hands.

A slightly confusing hand since you raised one limper so much...actually, the more I think about it the more I like a raise in the 250 area, for just 5xBB. The intent to call if this guy goes all-in is still there, and it would probably be effective enough to scare off mediocre hands behind, but leave you room to bail to an all-in from one of the larger stacks.

It's late, I may not be 100% coherent, I'll come back to this later to see if I'm making sense... /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

-Edge

[DCIAce]

Button had been playing fairly tight. I'd have mucked if he went all-in, before calling 1000 more. SB and BB seemed fairly average, I think I'd have grit my teeth and called the extra 300/500, if either of them came over the top.

Interesting point, about the size of my isolation raise..

Let's say I raise to T300. Button and Blinds fold, and UTG calls.. flop comes down and UTG pushes his last 350 chips in. Knowing that alot of people push here with pretty much any two cards (A-x, KQ, KJ, QJ being hands I can beat).. what do I do? Are the 2-1 pot odds good enough to call?

[DCIAce]

I can't see pushing all-in here. If the button calls an all-in, I'm pretty sure I'll see AA, KK, AK, QQ, maybe JJ.

My intent was to isolate the UTG short stack, while leaving myself enough wiggle room to escape from a monster behind me. After some thought, I think a T350 Raise would've been optimal.

Also, it didn't take an hour, but it felt like an hour. I'm always compelled to argue with idiots. Makes me chuckle, at times. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Stoneii]

Hi Edge - after turn card I count 16 outs not 10.

stoneii (pedantic!)

[JGalt]

Just out of curiosity, since the play comes back to UTG and he is somewhat short stacked wouldn't his play of all-in make sense? He knows the play is heads-up at this point, and isn't his 66 the favorite against any hand other then a larger pocket pair and some suited connectors like J10s? If I'm not mistaken I think there are only 13 hands which are better pre-flop then his 66. Given the amount of starting hands possible it would seem like this hand may have a slight advantage or be 50/50. I may be wrong, I'm definately no expert. Just curious to see what others think.

[Prickly Pete]

I know many don't limp early with small pairs, but limping with 66 is no grave error in my opinion. And I wouldn't call your big raise with it either, but pushing (given his dwindling stack) wouldn't be the worst play I've ever seen.

Like others have said, I wouldn't raise as much as you did. But none of that can explain why he might badger you for the rest of the tourney. He's just being a clown.

[Prickly Pete]

[ QUOTE ]
You're not a big dog to anything but KK and AA if those HAPPEN to be behind you, and you're good against most non-paired hands.

[/ QUOTE ]

Sorry to nitpick, but I believe AQ is would be a big dog to AK.

[Edge34]

You're right, it was late, I left that out. Obviously AK has AQ dominated.

-Edge

[Edge34]

I counted 3 Aces and 3 Queens as overpairs which could potentially be good.

4 Jacks for the gutshot straight.

That's 3+3+4=10. Am I missing something? Like I said, it was late then, but I might still be off.

-Edge

[Prickly Pete]

The 3 10s and 3 8s would counterfeit the other guy's 2 pair and give the A kicker the hand.

[Edge34]

This is very true. I was looking at it as though I was playing the hand and assumed I needed to get direct help to my hand, since I wouldn't know he had 66.

Thanks for the (obvious) clarification that I just didn't get somehow.

-Edge

[el_grande]

The way I see it if you are trying to isolate UTG then you force him all-in, which would be a t600 raise.

But with 6 players and the big stack I fold AQs in EP. Is that so wrong?

[Edge34]

"Is that so wrong?"

Depends on who you're asking, I'm sure. To me, though, AQs, with the big stack and 6 left, not only do you have a shot at having the best hand (or at least not being down by much, as it was in this case), but you've got the stack to push people around and the hand to back it up. Folding this seems awful weak/tight to me. Not saying you're weak/tight, but laying down that hand...I couldn't do it without significant action.

-Edge

[ajizzle]

I think your PF raise it too big. How does raise to 200 sound. I like that a lot more. This way, you can lay it down if the Button, SB or BB goes over the top, but have bet enough to commit UTG to a fold or all-in. This is essentially your goal PF with your hand and position, and a raise to 200 does that successfully. When UTG goes all-in, this is an easy call for me, especially at the $10+1 tourneys. He should not be berating your play, because it is pretty standard. I PERSONALLY, don't like to raise that much though, because it almost commits you to the pot if the BB goes all-in, and you lose a big portion of your stack if the Button or SB goes over the top.

As for your analysis, I think it is pretty off base. How can you call UTG's play bad. He got his chips all-in, as the short stack, and a slight edge. When I'm the short stack in this situation, I am EXSTATIC that I can do this. He is a favorite to double up when all the chips are in, and get back into the mix. It was a pretty good play on his part. As for criticizing his limp UTG, that is questionable, but he may have wanted to see a flop and push on the flop when rags hit or slowplay a set. This gives him more flexibility. You should think about these things before jumping the gun on analyzing your opponent's plays.

Ajizzle

[el_grande]

Consider the situation. Weak-tight has worked very well for me at Party 10-1 SnGs. Before I am in the money, I pick my spots for agression. I pretty much never limp.
Do I want to raise 4xBB UTG with AQs, big stack, with 6 players? Not really. I'd rather wait for AK or a high pair and if I don't get it, I'm coasting into the money.

Then when in the top 3, my play borders maniac preflop.