How much do you winning players actually make ??

[SPC92Y]

Hi all as you noticed i am new to this site however, i have been absorbing poker knowledge from this site for more than 8 to 9 months or so. Anyways my main question to all thoses winning online players out there is how much you do guys actually win and how would you calculate if you win rate is good enough. I mainly play Part 2/4 and able to earn around anywhere between 2 - 3 grand a month. I would appriciate if you guys can give me some sort of idea on how much a winning 2/4 player should be able to earn in a month at most. Thank You

[SinCityGuy]

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I would appriciate if you guys can give me some sort of idea on how much a winning 2/4 player should be able to earn in a month at most.

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That would depend on how many hours he plays. If he's lazy, he's not going to make much money.

[Yerma]

The best Party 2-4 player can make a little more than 10 grand a month.

[SPC92Y]

For example then 40 hrs a week playing 3 to 4 tables

[rusty JEDI]

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The best Party 2-4 player can make a little more than 10 grand a month.

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Sure, the best 2/4 player can make $10K per month, but not playing 2/4. Playing 40 hours per week of 4 tables, they need to be winning 3.5bb's per hour per table to make the 10K you mention. I think that at 40 hours per week and 4 tables at a time, your 10,000 is not possible. I even gave you the benefit of a doubt and used a 31 day month.

Furthermore, I just dont see why anyone crushing 2/4 games like that would not have moved up to 3/6. At the rate you mention they would be properly bankrolled in less than a week.

rJ

[Webster]

I'm playomng ONE table - between 18-25 hours a week at about a grand a month. However - I play for fun and money is a side bonus.

I feel that the more goals you put on yourself the more stress you will have and the faster you will burn out. If you play for fun the bad beats do not matter.

HOWEVER - with that said - I keep copius daily records.

[astroglide]

3 big bets per 100 hands, at as many tables as you can handle

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[sthief09]

if you play 4 tables, winning 3 BB/100, that's 240 hands per hour at $12/100 hands. 2.4*4*3= $28.8/hr... 40 hrs a week is about $1,200, and 4 weeks in a month, plus a little few more days, makes it about $5000 a month.

[SPC92Y]

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if you play 4 tables, winning 3 BB/100, that's 240 hands per hour at $12/100 hands. 2.4*4*3= $28.8/hr... 40 hrs a week is about $1,200, and 4 weeks in a month, plus a little few more days, makes it about $5000 a month.

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Ok then what if iam putting in the same amount of time but not getting the resualt.. which i am not dose this mean i have a leak in my game ?? and pluse how many of you guys actually make that amount winning 3BB/100 hands ???
by the way thanks for all the resonses

[astroglide]

playing 40 hours a week is extremely hard to do, even if 'unemployed'

[CrackerZack]

This is very high. playing multiple tables will often degrade play and 3 BBs/100 hands is an impressive number for single tabling. It may be possible, but those who can achieve this are few and far between.

[astroglide]

it may be "rare" given the entire poker population, but i'm not sure it's as hard as you make it sound. i'm doing it with 6 tables over 50,000 hands. i would almost assurably degrade if i tried to play 40 hours per week, though. right now i'm north of 15.

[CrackerZack]

You're a machine though. I'd be shocked to learn there were 5 other players putting up 3 BBs/100/table playing 6 tables at 15/30. It really is ridiculous. I think 2 is much more realistic for a player to obtain through study here. A ton of experience and notes could push you higher, but that takes a lot of time and play.

[astroglide]

i think the ability to heavily multitask, indepdent of poker, has a lot to do with it. there are no doubt many other capable "machines" that have never played poker, but if they did they could play 6-8 tables.

[ChicagoTroy]

Astroglide,

I'm new to online poker, but just so it's clear, you play up to 6 tables of $15-30 simultaneously?

[blockafor]

That's a lot of money, astroglide.

3BB/100hands * 6 tables * 75 hands/hour/table * 15 hours/week * 52 weeks/yr * $30/BB = $316,000/yr (and that's with a slow hand rate assumption and with you only playing 15 hours)

Anyone else make $300,000/yr playing 15/30 limit ring games? $400,000? $500,000+? How about at other limits?

[ChicagoTroy]

Your math is way off. You have to multiply 3 BB/100hands * 75/100 to calculate the hourly rate, assuming 75 hands/hr./table, which sounds high to me.

[sthief09]

winning 3 BB/100 hands while 4 tabling, during 6+ hour sessions in 40-hour weeks is extremely hard... you gain experience but your mental condition will just deteriorate.

skill is important but you need to be in a good mental state to perform your best. playing higher limits with a lower win rate and less hours can earn you as much money.

[MicroBob]

for those who are new here....check out the poss by David Ross 'Playing Poker for a Living Week XX'

he just posted the article for his 52nd week. he started at a couple of 5/10 tables and moved to 4 tables of 3/6....then 4 tables of 5/10 6-max....and now he is in his 3rd week of 4-tabling 15/30 fill-ring.

he made over $85k in the past 52-weeks.

outstanding, terrific articles...as everybody around here already knows.


i'm at around 2.5BB/100 at 2/4 but there have been some fluctuations (in bankroll and in quality of game) so i'm not going to jump up for a little while still.

i am playing 4-tables of 2/4 and trying to get in 40 hours/wk....but i have been sick the past week or so making it more difficult.

sometimes i'll play only 2 or 3 tables for awhile to recharge.
my goal is to get in 10k hands per week (which would be about 40 hours of playing 4 tables with time for some little breaks in there as well).
i might play 7 days of about 1500 hands per day or 5 days of 2k hands per day, whatever. if i get in more than 10k hds in a week then that's fine too.

....i am making $0.11/hd currently so that is $1100 per week.

i'm just starting out on my adventure of trying this thing on a full-time basis though....so i'm just hoping i am able to continue these numbers for now.

[daryn]

his math seems fine to me.

[1800GAMBLER]

.. to make it simple, he's aiming to make $1/hand, that makes any calcs easier. The math you have is right though.

A lot of twoplustwoers make 60cents+/hand multitabling at least 4 tables. I'm 80cents/hand over 4 10/20 tables.

[Cosimo]

Troy, sorry, your math is off. blockafor's numbers are right. You, for some reason, were missing the /100 in "3 BB/100hands".

Higher limit tables play more hands/hr than low-limit. Microlimit tables often average about 60 hands per hour, but that rate increases as you scale up to 15/30. 75 hands per hour is conservative for 15/30.

[astroglide]

i answer these kinds of questions in good faith, really just wanting people to know that 3bb/100 is a good and possible rate to achieve. later on, people can achieve the same rate even while multi-tabling. is it really necessary to extrapolate the actual amount earned? just take your limit and add up 3 big bets for every 100 hands you play. that's your goal. that's why i responded.

[astroglide]

the correct number is 65 hands per hour per table.

[JTG51]

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This is very high. playing multiple tables will often degrade play and 3 BBs/100 hands is an impressive number for single tabling. It may be possible, but those who can achieve this are few and far between.

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I don't konw about 15/30, but significantly more than 3BB/100 hands is definitely possible over the long run at lower limits while playing three or four tables.

I also agree with astroglide that it's tough to play a lot of hours when you are always multi-tabling. Unlike 'real' jobs, or even playing just one table, it takes almost constant focus.

[ChicagoTroy]

You're absolutely right, and I realized it about 2 seconds after I hit post. I didn't know how or if it was possible to edit my post. Should have preempted the responses with a correction. Sorry bout that folks, don't tell anybody I tutor math /images/graemlins/blush.gif

[karlson]

Hey astro,

I'm curious. You play full tables, right? Have you tried playing the 6-max games? If so, how many can you handle, and what was your rate?

I can play 4, and can put up about 2.5 BB/100, and it's almost exactly 100 hands/hr on average. I'm considering switching to full tables though, for a few reasons, and am wondering if maybe I can do better playing 6-8 full tables like you, kenny, david and whoever else.

[OrangeHeat]

I dunno about doing it on six but I have been doing it on four for over a year now - only about 2 hours a night.

It does take a total concentration state of mind most of the time. It almost becomes a rhythm in your brain. Plus you are seeing so many hands in so short an amount of time that decisions and situations become more and more familiar and you make the right decsion more often and faster.

Orange

[CrackerZack]

Ok, with astro and jtg getting some collaboration, maybe i'm wrong here. I'm real bad a keeping up my PT but I'm getting better. I'll bring this back up in a month or so and see if I'm the one that sucks.

[sthief09]

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I can play 4, and can put up about 2.5 BB/100, and it's almost exactly 100 hands/hr on average.

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that doesn't make any sense... 4 tables getting you 100 hands/hr? it should be 3 times that at 6max tables.