DeucesUp
02-10-2004, 05:29 PM
I've not found what I consider to be a good way of playing these types of hands:
Loose, moderately aggressive low limit game. You get a freebie with crap hand, say 84o in BB, after 4 limpers and the SB completing, 6 to a flop of 832 w/ two hearts.
What's the best way to proceed?
Here's problem #1. It's difficult to put these players on hands because they'll limp with a big range of hands. I would have expected a pre-flop raise from a pocket pair 9 or bigger (usually) and I'll generally give them credit for usually not playing 32, 82 or 83 (sometimes wrong). So I figure I'm behind a set or an 8 with bigger kicker, but there's pretty good chance I've got the best hand (maybe 60-70%).
Here's problem(?) #2: Most of these players will see the turn on this type of board, even if it means paying two bets. At least those with 2 overcards, any pair, a flush draw or any straight draw. A couple of them will also raise here with any pair or even big overcards.
What's the game plan for the rest of the hand?
I'm tempted to just start check-folding this one, because I feel like this type of situation is costing me money. I may have the best hand, but have few outs, none of which are clean (other than runner-runner) and it is oh so easy to be outdrawn.
Obviously it's somewhat player specific, but my usual strategy has been to check, fold if it's two bets by the time it gets back to me (though I frequently find I had the best hand) call if there's an early bet and a couple of callers (I'm starting to fold more often in this situation) and check raise if there's an early bet and it's folded to me (to find out where I'm at) and also check-raise if there's a late bet hoping to knock out a few overcards (doesn't always work).
The turn is even trickier for me if I'm still in. The turn is of course and overcard, say a Ac. What's the best way to proceed now? You can answer for as many different scenarios as you wish, but if you only want to answer one: The flop was checked to button who bet, you CR'ed but still got 2 cold callers plus the button for 4 to the turn. Now what? Does it make any difference if the turn is Qc?
Loose, moderately aggressive low limit game. You get a freebie with crap hand, say 84o in BB, after 4 limpers and the SB completing, 6 to a flop of 832 w/ two hearts.
What's the best way to proceed?
Here's problem #1. It's difficult to put these players on hands because they'll limp with a big range of hands. I would have expected a pre-flop raise from a pocket pair 9 or bigger (usually) and I'll generally give them credit for usually not playing 32, 82 or 83 (sometimes wrong). So I figure I'm behind a set or an 8 with bigger kicker, but there's pretty good chance I've got the best hand (maybe 60-70%).
Here's problem(?) #2: Most of these players will see the turn on this type of board, even if it means paying two bets. At least those with 2 overcards, any pair, a flush draw or any straight draw. A couple of them will also raise here with any pair or even big overcards.
What's the game plan for the rest of the hand?
I'm tempted to just start check-folding this one, because I feel like this type of situation is costing me money. I may have the best hand, but have few outs, none of which are clean (other than runner-runner) and it is oh so easy to be outdrawn.
Obviously it's somewhat player specific, but my usual strategy has been to check, fold if it's two bets by the time it gets back to me (though I frequently find I had the best hand) call if there's an early bet and a couple of callers (I'm starting to fold more often in this situation) and check raise if there's an early bet and it's folded to me (to find out where I'm at) and also check-raise if there's a late bet hoping to knock out a few overcards (doesn't always work).
The turn is even trickier for me if I'm still in. The turn is of course and overcard, say a Ac. What's the best way to proceed now? You can answer for as many different scenarios as you wish, but if you only want to answer one: The flop was checked to button who bet, you CR'ed but still got 2 cold callers plus the button for 4 to the turn. Now what? Does it make any difference if the turn is Qc?