the transition from UB to party

[morgant]

all of my online poker education has been at UB. i love UB, i moved to party for the reasons all of you play there(so i can complain about them a la gabbyyyy, of course).
but i am used to people having hands at showdowns, it seems at party, the limits i play 3/6 5/10, anything goes...this hand below almost made me ill by my weak play.



***** Hand History for Game 318386948 *****
3/6 TEXASHTGAMETABLE (LIMIT) - MON JAN 05 22:12:04 EST 2004
Table Card Room Table 1983 (Real Money) -- Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: jarusso ( $69)
Seat 2: CRZYCRZN ( $84)
Seat 6: RoterHund ( $26)
Seat 7: miraclejack ( $150)
Seat 8: greedyswede ( $182)
Seat 9: Eckmon21 ( $41)
RoterHund posts small blind (1)
miraclejack posts big blind (3)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to greedyswede [ Qh, Qc ]
greedyswede raises (6) to 6
Eckmon21 calls (6)
jarusso folds.
CRZYCRZN folds.
RoterHund raises (8) to 9
miraclejack folds.
greedyswede raises (6) to 12
Eckmon21 calls (6)
RoterHund calls (3)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Ks, 4h, 9s ]
RoterHund checks.
greedyswede bets (3)
Eckmon21 calls (3)
RoterHund calls (3)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 4c ]
RoterHund checks.
greedyswede bets (6)
Eckmon21 calls (6)
RoterHund raises (11) to 11
RoterHund calls all-In.
greedyswede folds.
Eckmon21 calls (5)
** Dealing River ** : [ 3h ]
Creating Main Pot with $73 with RoterHund
** Summary **
Main Pot: $73 | | Rake: $3
Board: [ Ks 4h 9s 4c 3h ]
jarusso balance $69, didn't bet (folded)
CRZYCRZN balance $84, didn't bet (folded)
Warik balance $150, sits out
crwofford balance $74, sits out
RoterHund balance $36.50, bet $26, collected $36.50, net +$10.50 [ As Th ] [ a pair of fours -- As,Ks,Th,4h,4c ]
miraclejack balance $147, lost $3 (folded)
greedyswede balance $161, lost $21 (folded)
Eckmon21 balance $51.50, bet $26, collected $36.50, net +$10.50 [ Tc Ah ] [ a pair of fours -- Ah,Ks,Tc,4h,4c ]
splitin8s balance $150, sits out

[daryn]

yeah. that's about right.

[MrGrob]

I am not so sure you are THAT weak here. If you don't have a read on RoterHund, I don't see folding as THAT bad. But, if you have no read, I might have gone ahead and looked him up on this hand.

Now that you have a read, if you are lucky enough to play with him again, let the tool impale himself /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[drudman]

Yeah, that is kind of weak, but you'll get used to it. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Homer]

Yeah, that was pretty damn weak. Just keep playing at Party and you'll get used to the more aggressive style of play soon enough. Then you'll probably come back and read this post and laugh at yourself for having folded.

-- Homer

[MrGrob]

I am starting to get the idea that Party is a group of chimps in a cage all throwing their chips around angrily at each other with no apparent logic (2+2'ers being excluded of coarse /images/graemlins/smirk.gif )...maybe my above post is wrong, if that is how party is.... /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Vehn]

***** Hand History for Game 302129823 *****
15/30 TEXASHTGAMETABLE (LIMIT) - SAT DEC 27 00:54:23 EST 2003
Table Card Room Table 2689 (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: maverickace ( $1414)
Seat 2: OnlyDaNuts ( $1485)
Seat 3: bigX2 ( $622)
Seat 4: RAllen28 ( $929.50)
Seat 5: genj23 ( $1475)
Seat 6: skyway ( $3112.50)
Seat 7: BJJedi ( $690)
Seat 8: CheckToMe ( $278)
Seat 9: farflying ( $97)
Seat 10: nadinek ( $3830.50)
farflying posts small blind (10)
nadinek posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to genj23 [ Ah, Kc ]
maverickace folds.
bigX2 calls (15)
RAllen28 calls (15)
genj23 raises (30) to 30
skyway folds.
BJJedi folds.
CheckToMe calls (30)
farflying calls (20)
nadinek folds.
bigX2 calls (15)
RAllen28 calls (15)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Ac, 3d, Ad ]
farflying checks.
bigX2 checks.
RAllen28 checks.
genj23 bets (15)
CheckToMe raises (30) to 30
farflying folds.
bigX2 calls (30)
RAllen28 folds.
genj23 raises (30) to 45
CheckToMe raises (30) to 60
bigX2 calls (30)
genj23 calls (15)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 6s ]
bigX2 checks.
genj23 checks.
CheckToMe bets (30)
bigX2 calls (30)
genj23 raises (60) to 60
CheckToMe calls (30)
bigX2 calls (30)
** Dealing River ** : [ 9s ]
bigX2 checks.
genj23 bets (30)
CheckToMe calls (30)
bigX2 calls (30)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $612 | Rake: $3
Board: [ Ac 3d Ad 6s 9s ]
maverickace balance $1414, didn't bet (folded)
OnlyDaNuts balance $1485, sits out
bigX2 balance $442, lost $180 [ 5s 5d ] [ two pairs, aces and fives -- Ac,Ad,9s,5s,5d ]
RAllen28 balance $899.50, lost $30 (folded)
genj23 balance $1907, bet $180, collected $612, net +$432 [ Ah Kc ] [ three of a kind, aces -- Ah,Ac,Ad,Kc,9s ]
skyway balance $3112.50, didn't bet (folded)
BJJedi balance $690, didn't bet (folded)
CheckToMe balance $98, lost $180 [ 6d Jd ] [ two pairs, aces and sixes -- Ac,Ad,Jd,6d,6s ]
farflying balance $67, lost $30 (folded)
nadinek balance $3815.50, lost $15 (folded)

[morgant]

i got to thinking (careful this is a rare occurance), yes it is party and yes there are more than average in craziness, but when any table is approached and you have no reads, it should be treated as normal game, firmly but cautiously till you get your grounding right??? in a game where you have two callers on a capped pre-flop, which then comes with an over card to your pair, and both call that bet, to then raise you on the turn......hmmmmmm, does that add at all to my defense, regardless of the playground you happen to be in?

[morgant]

damn, that is nuts. i have so many times even just tonight, felt that i have a 50/50 to slight edge or slight dog at showdown found myself to be so far ahead, it has been really baffling. is overplaying your hand heard of around those parts? it can't be good for your poker game to get used to these kind of game conditions, can it?

[David]

Just tonight at a 3/ 6 table ......5 way action capped preflop.....flop comes AK4 to my AK, three bet flop, turn a 6, two bet turn, river a 4, yep some idiot was playing a 9/4. Ya gotta love Party! Those guys are just babysitting our chips for us, we'll get them all back and then some /images/graemlins/grin.gifin the long run.

[DoctorJ]

Yeah - it really is nuts. If your game selection is good (and there's no reason for it not to be at Party), you could make a pretty strong argument for literally never folding a pair on the river, heads-up against an unknown opponent. I have yet to sit in a 1-2, 2-4, 3-6, or 5-10 game where i've been faced with a bet on the river I haven't felt that my odds of winning were at least 10-15% (with a couple exceptions from unusually tight players - probably 2+2ers). Usually, the pot odds more than justify a call.

You just have to remind yourself constantly that this is a function of Party games, and don't fall into it elsewhere (unless you're playing live in California)...

Cheers...

DoctorJ

[AAmaz0n]

I got beat by a clown like this today.

A8o in the BB, one EP limper, another MP limper. Flop comes
AAK

I bet, EP raises, MP calls two bets cold. With a bad kicker I just call since one of them has the other A

Turn comes K

Ok, no kicker problems now, only hand that beats me is KK, which is unlikely. EP and I raise till it's capped, MP keeps calling and I can't figure out why.

River is, of course, K

I check, knowing what's coming, as does the EP. MP bets and I call so that he can proudly show

K8o

having hit his one outer on the river.

Good thing I have a sense of humor. My PC and the cats are all still in one piece. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Shauna

[RollaJ]

That was actually a weak fold in my opinion, if there is one thing I have seen wayyy too many times online it is the:
"F*** this game Im on tilt Im leaving anyways so I dont care about my last F***ing $X" raise /images/graemlins/grin.gif.

To give you an idea I play NL a lot and whenever someone with under 10 BB left raises all in preflop I call (or reraise) with any Ace and any pair as well as some other random hands, and yes it is profitable.

[Lazymeatball]

If you were going to fold for one more bet, why try and value bet the river?

check to possibly induce a bluff and call it.


edit: you folded to the turn raise, not river, makes more sense now. my bad.