Night or Day not paying props

[Lori]

Night or Day poker have now not paid their props for two straight payments, and a third is looming.

People have been told that this is a problem from Golden Palace's end.

Please remember that although this may be true, GP has at least 61 front ends and they have probably gone through this process many times.
NoD are taking the line that new sites always have teething problems.

Props are different to other poker players, they have taken the route as prop as for whatever reason, the steady income is valuable to them as opposed to high varience.

It is my belief that NoD should make an approximate payment, erring on the high side, to ALL of their props and sort out any errors at a later date, if this ends up costing NoD a few dollars then just remember how the owner of NoD is always telling us that nothing beats good customer service.

Not getting paid for the best part of a month is NOT good customer service when these people have families to feed and xmas (oops, too late for that one) to pay for.

Mary, you are always telling us that the squeaky wheel gets the grease, in this case, not only are the wheels squeaking, but they are rusting and about to fall off, I recommend a complete and immediate overhaul of the whole vehicle.

Lori

[AwesomeAli]

I used to prop for Victor Chandler and I believe all their payments were organised by GP. I NEVER had a late payment and neither did any of the other props that i knew there.

So saying that this is a GP problem is a load of b******s

Sort it out Mary. I assume that someone with your large contact base can put this right in no time.

Ali

[Elizabeth-Anne]

Excellent post, Lori. Thank you for warning us about NoD. We should warn people on a regular basis so new people don't get scammed.

Cyndie is the bombastic queen of scams and lame excuses.

[Cyndie]

Sigh...I have been nagging and nagging about the payments. If you want an approximate idea of how much you have played, I can tell you, but there is no chance that you won't get paid, but this program is different from the VC prop program and it is not as simple to calculate as they thought.

However, thank you...this thread will make it clear how important it is to get this done quickly. Unlike affiliate programs, we are supposed to get the email list of players, but that hasn't been given to us yet. Holidays do slow people down when it comes to new projects.

For those of you who were concerned about the ID requirements...They are not as offensive as we thought. The initial neteller money can be returned to your neteller account without ID, but profit will require verification. This was not the initial understanding, and we are not thrilled, but the process they use does not require ANY private information. It is actually quite clever. It does require faxing, or a very slow snail mail process.

P.s. We apologize for the delay, but have always wanted to get through a complete cycle to iron out delays. The players who have signed up are welcome to contact me, and arrangements can be made. This program is totally different from the prop program...many fewer restrictions.

[gabyyyyy]

"The initial neteller money can be returned to your neteller account without ID, but profit will require verification"

Whoopededoo. Big deal, someone can get their intitial buy in back no problem, but if they want to get their profit they have to spend hours faxing confidential forms to a bunch of shady characters. Sounds like a super deal. /images/graemlins/confused.gif

[gabyyyyy]

I somewhat have a gist of what Lorinda is about. I think that night or day must have been really stalling for her to have posted this.

Shame on you cyndie/mary/pokerscene/nightordaypoker.

[Cyndie]

We do need certain information in order for you to be cleared by our
security department,
once your cleared, we gladly send out any money you've won to you.

The information we need is: a copy of your driver's licence
a copy of both sides of the credit card
you registered with us
a copy of the top part of a credit card bill
a copy of the top part of a utility bill
(electric, water, etc)

Now many of our customers are concerned that this information can be unsafe, and many people don't like sending this information. In order to help those people out here is a breakdown of what we can accept

-A copy of your driver's license
you can block out everything except for your name, address, and date of birth anything else your free to cover with a black marker so that we cannot see
it, as we do not need anything else from there

-a copy of both sides of the credit card registered with us
you can block out everything except for the first 4 and last 4 digits of
the credit card
we also require the name and expiry date of the card


-a copy of the top part of the credit card bill
all we need is part of the letterhead of the bank, as well as your name and address the rest your free to block out

-a copy of the top part of a utility bill (phone, cell phone, electric,
cable, etc)
all we need is part of the letterhead of the bank, as well as your name and
address
the rest your free to block out

Should you have any questions regarding this information, please contact us by email (replying to this email) or by phone, at
1-888-217-5648
I hope this answers your questions, and helps you feel comfortable with
sending in
security information to us.

By the way, this information can be faxed or emailed to us:
you can fax it to: 1-888-557-8851 or you can email it to: security@goldenpalace.com please make sure to write your username or poker name on the fax or email
in a noticeable area.

Happy Holidays,

Brad
Customer Care





Thank you,
From Golden Palace
pitboss@goldenpalace.com

[gabyyyyy]

a copy of the top part of a utility bill

What do you need this for, isn't a drivers license enough..? You gonna pay my bills for me?

Second question cyndie..

How are you getting around legal issues? It is currently illegal for a U.S citizen to run, own, or operate a online poker a site according the to Federal Wire act. What am I missing here? In fact one of the biggest opponents of online gaming is, Jon Kyle a senator from Arizona the very state where you reside.

So how exactly are you running a poker site here in the U.S

[Lori]

If you want an approximate idea of how much you have played, I can tell you,

In that case why can't you pay approximate wages and sort it out later.

However, thank you...this thread will make it clear how important it is to get this done quickly

You are a grown-up now with your own site and everything, no longer can you use this excuse, YOU are now the person who should be clearing things up quickly, there are several of your props extremely angry at having no money.

Pay them their money, worry about how much later, you're only paying 30% of rake back anyway for goodness sakes, it's not like an overpayment is going to accidentally give them a good deal or anything.

For those of you who were concerned about the ID requirements

Why do people who cant get paid need ID? What has this to do with the problem you are failing to address?

This program is totally different from the prop program...many fewer restrictions.

To get anything near a respectable rate you have to play fairly long hours at off peak times. A 30% payment is dreadful, no restrictions at all would only be approaching reasonable.

Lori

[AwesomeAli]

[ QUOTE ]
If you want an approximate idea of how much you have played, I can tell you, but there is no chance that you won't get paid

[/ QUOTE ]

Why would I want to know how much I have played when I have NEVER played on your site (as a prop or otherwise)??

I was referring to my propping days at VC and the fact that their payments also came from GP and that your using GP as an excuse for non/late payments was a crock. FYI, my prop payments were NEVER late.

It is my understanding that your site it not paying its props and that is out of order (whether its the xmas holidays or not). Having been a prop, I know that you need to put in hundreds of hours to make your money and to not get paid at the end of it is completely out of order.

[Cyndie]

500 hands of fifty cent dollar limit poker qualifies for each two weeks period of limit poker for both peak and off peak at 30% After all the discussion on this site about the difference between 10 and 12.5 and 12.5 plus 1% extra, 30% might not seem so terrible.

Of course, that is in addition to the 10% referral, and everyone gets 10% automatic return for players who do not qualify for the 30%. Tournament fees, and pot and no limit get the 10% return at all times.

It is not a full prop, but you come and go as you please, and do not have to leave a table, or play multiple tables unless you choose. The games are also quite beatable even up to the 10 20 limits.

I have paid some approximate wages to players who asked. I got word from the person doing the calculations... they should be ready very soon. I apologize for the delay. Things should settle into a routine once the first cycle is worked through.

[MrFroggyX]

This might be stupid... but may i ask what is an "prop"..
I have never heard the term before! Can somebody enlighten me?

[MS Sunshine]

"How are you getting around legal issues? It is currently illegal for a U.S citizen to run, own, or operate a online poker a site according the to Federal Wire act. What am I missing here? In fact one of the biggest opponents of online gaming is, Jon Kyle a senator from Arizona the very state where you reside.

So how exactly are you running a poker site here in the U.S"

This maybe the only time that I'm on the same side as gabyyyyy and Sentor Kyle.

MS Sunshine



Senator Jon Kyle
United States Senate
SH-724
Washington, D.C. 20510
Voice 1-202-224-4521
Fax 1-202-224-2207
Email info@kyl.senate.gov

[Cyndie]

a "prop" accepts a "proposition" to help a site keep games going. They usually receive an hourly fee at a Brick and Mortar casino, but online it is more common to be paid a return of all or part of the rake paid.

Traditionally, "props" have to leave good or full games when customers come, but that isn't quite as strict online where a player can be at more than one table at a time.

The difference between a "prop" and a "shill" is that the "prop" plays with his or her own money, while a "shill" has very strict rules and uses the casino's money.

Strictly speaking, the situation here is really a promotion, since there is little restriction on when or where the player plays. The player just gets a reduced fee for helping the site keep games going some at night.

[jek187]

[ QUOTE ]
It is not a full prop, but you come and go as you please, and do not have to leave a table, or play multiple tables unless you choose. The games are also quite beatable even up to the 10 20 limits.

[/ QUOTE ]

I am, what I assume to be, a full prop. And I can do all the things described here. Well, 2 exceptions...
1) I get 100% of my rake back, not the 30% rip-off
2) I actually get paid.
Why anyone would be a Cyndie half-ass prop instead of a "full prop" is beyond me.

Also, Cyndie, I think this is incredibly stupid, even for you. Open up a 30% "prop" program, then not even be able to pay your "props" for 3 weeks? You are certainly smart and worthy of everyone else's trust aren't you? You just keep proving it again and again.

If there are any noobs out there who are considering propping, contact the site of your choice and ask if they employ props. You'd be surprised at how many do. Also, if you have your heart set on propping at NoD.com, try Golden Palace or Victor Chandler as they most likely offer better than 30%.

[Lori]

Why anyone would be a Cyndie half-ass prop instead of a "full prop" is beyond me.

Stop exaggerating jek, it's not even a one-third-ass , more of a 30% ass.

Edit: You do however balance it out by saying 3 weeks without pay, it's actually 5 weeks.

Lori

[Cyndie]

I am marketing a site, just like others in this country. I don't own anything that is illegal in this country. In fact Golden Palace, VC is one of the biggest sticklers for legality of any of the skin sites.

The biggest difference between this and standard affiliate programs is that I should soon have a list of the players who have signed up, and can make sure they are getting paid correctly. With most of the standard affiliate programs, the affiliate is not aware of who signs up and can't verify that people who claim to be signing up are truly signing up...except by chance of noticing when an anonymous sign up happens...and the affiliate doesn't know how much individual players play. As a result all the revenue sharing deals have to be approximate.

When this is worked through...and others are on track too...players will not have to guess or hope that they will be paid...it will come directly from the site, and there will be a report that shows the totals.

However, I am getting my usual round of criticism for attempting to come up with a procedure that will give the same 10% to referrals and up to 30% instead of 10 to 12 percent to players.

Not everyone wants to be a full time prop. I am trying to get deals where players get more than anywhere else and get nothing but criticism because it isn't going smoothly the first time through.

Again...those who have to wait, I am sorry...I will do everything I can to make things as fair as possible. I am used to situations where I barely break even or just make a little when things get started. In fact, on all the players who do not qualify for the 30%...I am not making a dime...it goes 10% to the player and 10% to the referral.

I only get paid 10% on the players who help the site by playing some graveyard hours. Just like with another site...I was willing to give 10% to the player and keep nothing...well, this is a better deal...players get 10 to 30% and referrals get 10%...in some cases I get 10%

Never has one person been criticized so much for giving so much and asking so little. One person complains because I am not giving a full prop...I guess I should give more than I collect? If people want prop jobs, they are available too. However, when a site writes a prop program that overpays props, I tell them...why? Because if the site pays props too much, the site will not survive and prop jobs disappear. It has to be a win/win situation, or it breaks down.

[Lori]

The simple reply is that you are getting critisism because you have promised to pay people money and they haven't been paid.

You are nearly three payments behind, if this was an electric bill, you'd have no electricity.

Lori

[MS Sunshine]

"Never has one person been criticized so much for giving so much and asking so little. One person complains because I am not giving a full prop...I guess I should give more than I collect? If people want prop jobs, they are available too. However, when a site writes a prop program that overpays props, I tell them...why? Because if the site pays props too much, the site will not survive and prop jobs disappear. It has to be a win/win situation, or it breaks down."

We have all been trying to keep secret the fact that online props get paid to much, when we would play for free in crappy short-handed games on sites that are slow pays, even for any winnings that we might get.

You're ruining it for us all.

MS Sunshine

[Stew]

Cyndie, it appears that you have recruited and solicited these people that are not paid. They are expecting payment from YOU, not VC or GP. You owe them the money, then VC/GP owes you money.

Pay them the damn money.

[Cyndie]

I couldn't agree more...and I have always gone beyond what is necessary when anythings didn't go smoothly.I would be happy to pay anyone who contacts me...I do not have the data to pay them accurately, but would gladly give 10% based on their action points until the total is resolved.

The problem is I do not know who has signed up yet, and do not know how much to pay...only people from my website and referrals from one friend have even known of the site.

Within minutes of my sending this thread to the people in charge of payments, I received an email ackowledging the urgency of getting this done...so I really think he will post here and assure people that there is no intent to short change anyone.

I really did not want this to go this long, since people often think their rake is much higher than it really is. So, I wanted to get the numbers out quickly enough for people to see what the return would be.

I do not want anyone to be disappointed that they aren't paying as much rake as they think they are! Seems like a contradiction that getting 30% back of a smaller number would disappoint people?

However, it doesn't work out to a large amount of money...assume 50 hands per hour of 2/4 and average rake of $5-6 per hour (probably a bit on the low side)..that is $1.50 per hour for playing 2/4...At Party, because of high per pot averages, I would imagine the rake per hour at 2/4 is more like $8-10 per hour ( probably a bit high)...getting 12.5% of that back translates to about $1 t0 $1.25 per hour...Sorry that anyone thinks I am trying to take advantage of people so much.

Again, sorry for the delay, but maybe for some people, it will help to know that the site is sanctioning the program, not just the affiliates going contrary to what the site supports.

[Lori]

However, it doesn't work out to a large amount of money

And you are still not willing to pay an estimated full amount?

Lori

[MicroBob]

just curious....i seem to remember a situation a few weeks ago where cyndie got blassted for pm-ing spam to various zoo-ers.
if this NoD thing was the subject of the spam, does this mean that a few of you blasted cyndie for spamming and then decided to take her up on her offer anyway??

if i'm misinterpreting the facts then i apologize....but it seems strange to criticize someone so badly (both on the spamming, and on the quality of her other posts) and then go into business with them anyway.

[MS Sunshine]

"I would imagine the rake per hour at 2/4 is more like $8-10 per hour ( probably a bit high)...getting 12.5% of that back translates to about $1 t0 $1.25 per hour...Sorry that anyone thinks I am trying to take advantage of people so much."

Why would we think that when the last three prop programs I've worked paid $13-15 an hour, and yours pays $1.25 an hour.

MS Sunshine

[Elizabeth-Anne]

[ QUOTE ]
"How are you getting around legal issues? It is currently illegal for a U.S citizen to run, own, or operate a online poker a site according the to Federal Wire act. What am I missing here? In fact one of the biggest opponents of online gaming is, Jon Kyle a senator from Arizona the very state where you reside.

So how exactly are you running a poker site here in the U.S"

This maybe the only time that I'm on the same side as gabyyyyy and Sentor Kyle.

MS Sunshine



Senator Jon Kyle
United States Senate
SH-724
Washington, D.C. 20510
Voice 1-202-224-4521
Fax 1-202-224-2207
Email info@kyl.senate.gov

[/ QUOTE ]


In addition to contacting Senator Jon Kyle, people should also report Cyndie/Pokerscene/NightorDayPoker to the United States Attorney's Office in Arizona.


Paul K. Charlton, United States Attorney, District of Arizona
Two Renaissance Square
40 North Central Avenue, Suite 1200
Fax: 602-514-7537
Telephone: 602-514-7500


Cyndie has committed Fraud, Theft by Deception, and Violations of Wire Act. Either she operates gambling sites in the United States or she conspires with and aids and abets gambling sites.

The authorites should make an example out of Cyndie.

[Lori]

if i'm misinterpreting the facts then i apologize....but it seems strange to criticize someone so badly (both on the spamming, and on the quality of her other posts) and then go into business with them anyway.



I don't think anyone who critisises Cyndie would go into business with her.

I recieved complaints about people not getting paid at NoD and so I posted their concerns here as their communications with NoD were less than satisfactory.

Lori

[goodguy_1]

uhuh.This is really bad Mary.Pay your props right now and sort the details out tommorrow.If I had decided to play at NOD I would be absolutely furious.You should have all the details on all account signups and pending rake rebates.If you dont have this info. you shouldnt have started the program until all of this was synchronized and cleared with GP.Pay your fuggin players now!!!..and YOU sort of the details with GP later in the week.Stop with the smoke and mirrors bs.

How can you be so dumb to do this Mary????
bottmline to being a prop is getting the money you are owed on time.Assuming for some reason your details were murky on correct amount owed to players..you still should have just paid players something. I thought you were smarter than this.I am disappointed to hear about this fiasco.I hope it's all fixed quickly for the players sake foremost and yours.

[gabyyyyy]

"am marketing a site, just like others in this country. I don't own anything that is illegal in this country. In fact Golden Palace, VC is one of the biggest sticklers for legality of any of the skin sites."

I would love to see you try and use this as a defense to the prosecution's case.

Your honor I had nothing to do with this site, I just reccomended it's creation.
Just because your site (Night or day) is a portal does not mean you do not profit DIRECTLY. When people go to your site they think that they are playing at night or day poker, not golden palace. I guess you could lie..but bear in mind that lying to a federal official, carries a higher sentence then running an online gambling side.

You best bet is, to just move to Mexico.

[Cyndie]

goodguy_1, you are not listening...none of the people involved have asked me...If they do, I will pay them an estimated amount...just like I said in a couple of the posts.

It is just people who are not involved who are complaining. The reason they haven't complained is that I explained to them that we were starting a new program, and I didn't have the details...this started December first for the people who are concerned about the time frame...the first payment wasn't even due until the middle of december...and I haven't received the data...the first batch was calculated wrong, and I never even got it.

The only 3 people who have contacted me have been satisfied. If anyone involved wants money...let me know.

[gabyyyyy]

"I do not have the data to pay them accurately, but would gladly give 10% based on their action points until the total is resolved."

If you do not have the data how will you be able to see how many action points they have.

You really give affiliates a bad name cyndie. Most affliates follow the letter of the law. They know that running a portal in the U.S is illegal. They know where to draw the advertising/operator line.

Then here you come with what you think is a new idea and have a portal created. Liek no one has thought of that before.

Only problem is, instead of laying low to conceal your shady buisness activities you don't pay props and advertise it left and right ona public forum.

You should be in one of those "dumb criminal" sections of the newspaper.

BTW--Are action points earned by playing in action flops. I just don't get it.

[daveymck]

No on VC you get action points for each hand you are in, I guess like the points on UB, you then use these action points for freerolls or to get vouchers for amazon etc.

I dont see how action points will help though cos they are running a double action point promotion at the moment at some of the quiet hours when I guess most props are meant to be playing so I suspect using AP as a basis will mean a lot of people are overpaid and will have future payments reduced.

VC seems to be on the way down anyway during the day there are more people playing the play tables than the limit tables but this gets better on a night, their tournies are quite good a nice $1000 freeroll on a friday night but you need the action points to get in it.

[Cyndie]

Yes, the action points are not exact translations with the double promotion. I would gladly have settled things if there were a reasonable way to do it...but the fact that tourneys and pot and no limit games are not the same promotion as the limit games makes it necessary to wait for the stats.

This is not a promotion that is available on other GP skins...it was set up to reward players who can play overnight to keep limit games going. The European fashion is for no limit and pot limit games. As a result, there are no precedents for the program and things are delayed. I am truly sorry. I see now that I should have pushed harder for the details needed.

It is a bit ironic that US citizens are not eligible for the prop program, but the statistics are managed by the same person who has always been prompt with prop payments. I am quite sure after we get things rolling, the pay will be quite prompt for this one too.

The total to date has been a small sample of about $1000 maximum, and I played about $300 of that. The only reason it got that large is that one friend kept sending low limit players, who really enjoyed the social lounge/ lobby.

[Mike Haven]

I have paid some approximate wages to players who asked.

The problem is I do not know who has signed up yet, and do not know how much to pay...only people from my website and referrals from one friend have even known of the site.

Within minutes of my sending this thread to the people in charge of payments, I received an email ackowledging the urgency of getting this done...so I really think he will post here and assure people that there is no intent to short change anyone.

it doesn't work out to a large amount of money...assume 50 hands per hour of 2/4 and average rake of $5-6 per hour (probably a bit on the low side)..that is $1.50 per hour for playing 2/4

goodguy_1, you are not listening...none of the people involved have asked me...If they do, I will pay them an estimated amount

The only 3 people who have contacted me have been satisfied. If anyone involved wants money...let me know.

You know I've always tried to support and encourage you when I can, Mary, but even I am finding it difficult to see why you are stalling so much on this one.

From your posts, I read that you don't know who has signed up under you at your site, but when you e-mailed Support they told you they were nearly ready with their final calculations of the money you owe to these people.

This implies to me that Support knows exactly who has signed up under you.

Therefore, surely your immediate return e-mail to Support should have been, "Please tell me the names of the players so I can pay them a buck an hour for their play, based on their Action Points, in the meantime."?

To use the excuse that only three people have contacted you, unless that is perhaps the total number who have signed up, for your inaction really doesn't wash from someone with your dynamism and concern for others. Obviously, there is something that you could do, proactively, and if I was on your "Team", after five weeks of not having received any money from my boss, I have to admit I would be worried about the likelihood of a future for my job.

Come on, Mary - please do something positive, immediately, for your players. (Have you put a message up on your website to ask your players to contact you? Have you asked Support to e-mail your players to contact you? Etc, etc, etc.)

With a mind like yours, it's simple.

Schnell! Schnell!

[daveymck]

The main thing I find concerning is that it is unknown who has signed up in effect I could mail her now and give my account name on VC and maybe get a payment even though I havent signed up.

I have little experience of affiliates having linked up with one on here for party but I found that the main concern my affiliate had was that we got the setup all done right so he knew I was setup correctly and he was getting the records through, this was before I deposited any money so by the time I got to play I had confidence both in the system and that the affiliate was in control and knew what they were doing.

Its fine to have problems and issues early on in a program but to be offering a program and not being in control as it seems here would put me off completely.

Having not been around here long I am unsure of Cyndies full background which seems as though in the past bad feeling were stirred up but I take people as they come and she does have at times some insightful views.

Hopefully this will get sorted asap and maybe allow Cyndie to repair her reputation with people around here.

[Lori]

As a result, there are no precedents for the program and things are delayed.

Which part of Goodguy's post didn't you understand?

Lori

[n1stunnor]

STFU!

Yeah,let's all do that, and then we can all write congress and have them ban U.S. residents from playing online poker too.

Why are you here DF?

[Mike Haven]

The main thing I find concerning is that it is unknown who has signed up

Yes - I thought that was strange.

You would think as players signed up it would be virtually automatic that the relevant affiliate would be informed by the site.

Any affiliates of other sites care to tell us the normal way that you hear someone has used your name to sign up with the site?

[Terry]

[ QUOTE ]
This maybe the only time that I'm on the same side as gabyyyyy and Sentor Kyle.

[/ QUOTE ]

You're absolutely right and I agree 100%.

I don't know where to start to try to comment on this thread, so I think I'll just ... nope ... can't resist a few words.

She's paying $1.25/hr and, uh, not paying, but will make a partial payment if anyone is interested, but the only 3 people who talked to her are content with not being paid??? Can anyone spell Russ Boyd?

I'm not gonna get into discussing the wisdom of, uh, umm, nevermind ...
various places you can send email anonymously (http://www.1netcentral.com/anonymous-email.html)

[Lori]

The reason they haven't complained is that I explained to them that we were starting a new program, and I didn't have the details...

They have complained and more than just one of them, they have watched deadline after deadline come and go and you are just making things up because you know I cannot post the names of the people otherwise you will try to sack them based on the fact they are not supposed to reveal who they are.

Nice position to be in isn't it, you don't pay people and dismiss them if they complain in public.

Lori

[jek187]

[ QUOTE ]
Never has one person been criticized so much for giving so much and asking so little.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes, of course. You opened a skin just to help out of people, not to make money. You started recruiting players to play for you under your rake rebate program when they couldn't be paid. Essentially, you opened NoD just be a caring site operator, not to line your greedy pockets. Riiiiiiiight.

You aren't dealing w/PokerScene guppies here. We see through your constant stream of bullshit.

[jek187]

[ QUOTE ]
goodguy_1, you are not listening

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes, he is. It's you who aren't listening. This line from GG1's post:

[ QUOTE ]
You should have all the details on all account signups and pending rake rebates.If you dont have this info. you shouldnt have started the program until all of this was synchronized and cleared with GP.

[/ QUOTE ]

He is 100% correct. It's obvious you jumped the gun early to grab as much money as possible. If you actually cared for the people working for you, you would've done exactly as GG1 stated. Not doing so is blatantly negligent at best, and is yet another reason why there's not a soul out there who should trust you with so much as their belly button lint.

[John R]

Hi all,

Mary asked that I interceed on her behalf here regarding prop payments. We are the software provider for poker for GP and Victor Chandler. I have not used these forums before so i will keep it brief. There is no way that Mary could have made payments to her alloted props yet as she does not have the DATA. We are having to write new code to support the deal she has and it is not done yet (early next week). This is not her fault and I dont see where all the mistrust is from. If you drill down for 1 min and consder that VC POKER for over a year and GP have been paying props without a hitch why wouldnt you extend a bit of trust. Regardless- code is almost finished and reports will be delivered to her after the weekend. I'm sure your payments (not my area) will get done immedeatly. She has done nothing but express concern to me for her players so I want to restate- there had been NOTHING she could have done through today. I dont use these forums so i wont respond (nothing to respond to) I have given our company email if there are questions i will try my best to get to them. This will resolve itself within a few days so i hope there arent any. Thanks for your time

John R
Tribeca Software Development.

john@tribecatables.com

[Inthacup]

This is not her fault

It may not be her fault that she doesn't have the data, but it certainly her fault that she promised players weekly payments when there was "no way that Mary could have made payments" until you finished writing the code.

It's pretty apparent that Mary jumped the gun by introducing NoD too soon. I'm sure this will all get work out eventually, but it does not look good when the 'owner' of a site is not able to fufill his/her obligations in a timely manner.

If Party Poker promised to pay me on March 1 and didn't pay me until April 8 then I would be furious. I don't see how this is any different.



Cup

[MrDannimal]

Send in the drones!

Saying there was nothing she could do is laughable. Here's something she could have done: Pick a reasonable $$ amount, guessing at what the average payout would have been to this point. Send that amount out of her pocket to each of the 20-30 she has in the program right now, indicating that it was a good faith payment until the system is fully running. Once it is, and she has all the info on how much each player is owed, she can subtract $X from it and pay the rest (or apply any credit to future payments if she overpaid).

Hey, look at that! I just spent 2 minutes disproving your entire post. Not that you'll read it, because you did your drone duty and posted your defense of the Queen Bee.

[Terry]

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I dont see where all the mistrust is from.

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That’s because you are new here.

Since you are new here, I’d like to ask you a of question ... just to help you gain some credibility.

It seems tribecatables.com is registered to Leonard Barshack, the founder of the email forwarding service bigfoot.com. Are you somehow connected to Mr. Barshack, or do you just use his service to forward email from the address you give here?

[MS Sunshine]

sniff sniff

I smell something rotten and it might not from Denmark.

MS Sunshine