Patty Boy
12-08-2003, 10:35 PM
I was recently in a 30-60 Omaha game and the following situation came up. I saw a free flop w/ KQJ4 (suits unimportant) w/ 4 total players in the pot.
The Flop came K-4-4. I checked, UTG bet, MP raised, LP player folded. I re-raised. UTG called, MP capped. All call.
The turn paired the King, making the board K-K-4-4. I bet, UTG called, MP raised, I reraised, UTG called, MP capped, I called, UTG folded. At this point MP and I both knew each other had K-4 and MP asked "Do you want to chop?" I had the QJ so I declined saying "I have 2 over cards to hit, I'll see the turn". He then said he had 2 over cards as well, turing over KQ64. I agreed to chop , but the table had mixed ideas, saying we couldn't raise out the UTG player just to chop the pot - However, since we both had the nuts and a 3 outer for a scoop, I didn't see the problem. If we were trying to squeeze him out and chop that's one thing, but after he folded, we both had the same hand and hte same re-draw.
What's your thoughts on this? Is it fine to chop when 2 players have the nuts and its heads up? (Neither of us would've agreed to chop if we had an edge over the other - ie, he's got 346K and I had 4QJK so I'm 2-1 to scoop him if either of us does scoop- , but w/ the same redraw, I would've been happy to chop).
In the actual hand, it didn't matter as the dealer went ahead and turned the river which paired neither of us.
The Flop came K-4-4. I checked, UTG bet, MP raised, LP player folded. I re-raised. UTG called, MP capped. All call.
The turn paired the King, making the board K-K-4-4. I bet, UTG called, MP raised, I reraised, UTG called, MP capped, I called, UTG folded. At this point MP and I both knew each other had K-4 and MP asked "Do you want to chop?" I had the QJ so I declined saying "I have 2 over cards to hit, I'll see the turn". He then said he had 2 over cards as well, turing over KQ64. I agreed to chop , but the table had mixed ideas, saying we couldn't raise out the UTG player just to chop the pot - However, since we both had the nuts and a 3 outer for a scoop, I didn't see the problem. If we were trying to squeeze him out and chop that's one thing, but after he folded, we both had the same hand and hte same re-draw.
What's your thoughts on this? Is it fine to chop when 2 players have the nuts and its heads up? (Neither of us would've agreed to chop if we had an edge over the other - ie, he's got 346K and I had 4QJK so I'm 2-1 to scoop him if either of us does scoop- , but w/ the same redraw, I would've been happy to chop).
In the actual hand, it didn't matter as the dealer went ahead and turned the river which paired neither of us.