TwoTimesJ
12-05-2003, 03:40 PM
This is my first post to this forum, and I'd like to thank you in advance for your comments and thoughts. 2+2 is fantastic and the threads have become daily reading for me over the past couple of weeks.
I've only recently moved up to mid limit games: 10/20 and 20/40, both online and on the felt here in northern CA. My question is, under what conditions are you willing to see the flop with Ax suited? Particularly where x is very weak, say, 6 or lower.
At the lower limit games, which tend to be at least a little loose and almost always containing some players that will chase and toss in two bets on almost any two suited cards, this hand tends to pay off when played carefully, over the long haul. Not always of course -- I would not play it 3 bets to go in middle position -- but it seems to show a profit over the long haul as it pays off well against lesser flush draws and the occasional 2 pair (flopping the x card as well as the Ace). In the right situation it seems to have good semi-bluffing power as well. (e.g. having sold a tight image to the table and re-raising or check raising an aggresive Ace bettor after an Ace flops with another face card). Not to ramble, but I guess the bottom line is that I play it pretty often (probably 85% of the time)and am re-evaluating this tendency.
Instinct tells me that against better players (and of course this assumes that higher limits = better players, which is certainly not always true) this hand is just not going to pay off enough and will be a long-run loser.
This would be a better post with a more specific question about the value of this hand under particular conditions, but let's hear what you think about calling pre-flop with Ax suited where x is too small to be of value as a kicker. (If this post is too general for this forum, please let me know.)
Thanks...
2xJ
I've only recently moved up to mid limit games: 10/20 and 20/40, both online and on the felt here in northern CA. My question is, under what conditions are you willing to see the flop with Ax suited? Particularly where x is very weak, say, 6 or lower.
At the lower limit games, which tend to be at least a little loose and almost always containing some players that will chase and toss in two bets on almost any two suited cards, this hand tends to pay off when played carefully, over the long haul. Not always of course -- I would not play it 3 bets to go in middle position -- but it seems to show a profit over the long haul as it pays off well against lesser flush draws and the occasional 2 pair (flopping the x card as well as the Ace). In the right situation it seems to have good semi-bluffing power as well. (e.g. having sold a tight image to the table and re-raising or check raising an aggresive Ace bettor after an Ace flops with another face card). Not to ramble, but I guess the bottom line is that I play it pretty often (probably 85% of the time)and am re-evaluating this tendency.
Instinct tells me that against better players (and of course this assumes that higher limits = better players, which is certainly not always true) this hand is just not going to pay off enough and will be a long-run loser.
This would be a better post with a more specific question about the value of this hand under particular conditions, but let's hear what you think about calling pre-flop with Ax suited where x is too small to be of value as a kicker. (If this post is too general for this forum, please let me know.)
Thanks...
2xJ