50-100 KQo hand.

[Diplomat]

50-100, we are currently 9-handed.

I pick up KQo in the small blind. UTG+2 calls, very passive (and loose) pre-flop player (but does not play terribly post flop) calls in the CO, I complete, big blind checks.

The flop is 2K2 rainbow. I bet, folded to the passive player who raises. I call.

The turn is a 5. I check, he bets, I raise, he thinks for about 10 seconds and calls slowly.

The river is a 5 for a final board of 2K2 5 5. I bet, he thinks again and calls.

All comments appriciated.

-Diplomat

[Clarkmeister]

Raise preflop for sure.

I don't see a reason to checkraise the turn. He's not going to stop betting a king and you have reason to be concerned that the "very passive player" might have a 2.

[Diplomat]

Hi Clark,

if he were passive all around, I would have check/called instead of raising. I don't think I was very clear in my player description. (probably because I'm going on hour #42 or so here without sleep) He was very passive pre-flop, and played pretty much typically post-flop. I am sure he would three-bet me with a deuce here, and I'd probably lay it down. (with the admission that such a play was probably not all that good either)

-Diplomat

[Diplomat]

Oh ya, one more thing.

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Raise preflop for sure.


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Really? My default play would be to just call here.

-Diplomat

[Clarkmeister]

Yeah, I saw the distinction between pre and postflop, but its not like there are many passive preflop players who turn into overaggressives postflop.

Here's the deal, if I was for some reason inclined to checkraise the turn, I would have instead just 3-bet the flop and led the rest of the way.

[Clarkmeister]

IMO some of the easiest money there is to be made in holdem comes from raising loose limpers with superior holdings and getting dead blind money into the center of the table at the same time. I think that KQo is more than enough hand in this spot. Frankly, I'd raise preflop here nearly 100% of the time unless the first limper was particularly tight, which you didn't indicate.

[bobgreen]

Frequent raising keeps your opponents back on their heels in disarray and unable to read you.
Raising in sb makes bb pass out.

[PokerPrince]

Was this the hand when the guy open limped with AK in LP? LOL, that was pretty shocking. I think you played the hand just fine given that player and the cards out. That was one awesome game we were in.

PokerPrince

[Diplomat]

Yes it was that hand.

And yes it was an awsome game. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

-Diplomat

[Diplomat]

I partially agree with your first reason, and definitely agree with your second reason.

The raise pre-flop would have been for value.

-Diplomat

[TheLoser]

I see you are from Ontario, is this 50-100 game in Rama or do they run a 50/100 game in one of the other poker rooms up there as well? I am gonna take a trip up to Ontario in a few days to play some live poker for a couple weeks.

[PokerPrince]

50-100 runs in Brantford Casino here in Ontario. There is also some 75-150 at times. Good games too.

PokerPrince

[Tommy Angelo]

"I'm going on hour #42 or so here without sleep"

I hope you didn't waste it. Another 42 and you'd have seen John Bonham.

[Tommy Angelo]

"The flop is 2K2 rainbow. I bet, folded to the passive player who raises. I call."

I would reraise every time, partly because my bet on the flop is just about equally likely to be a king, or trips, or a bluff. And partly because I want to constantly train my opponents to not raise me on the flop unless they really mean it.


Tommy

[nykenny]

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And partly because I want to constantly train my opponents to not raise me on the flop unless they really mean it.

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so beautifully stated! as i try to do the same before the flop /images/graemlins/grin.gif this makes them give out the accurate information i need eventually.

Kenny

[Diplomat]

Unfortunately I crashed after loosing half my 50-100 winnings back to some guy in a 15-30 heads' up match online. Seeing John would have been cool, but it was too unprofitable. Sleep is profitable.

So I slept.

-Diplomat

[Diplomat]

Hi Loser,

there are at least 2 places to play 50 or higher near Toronto. One place is Rama, the other at Brantford Charity Casino. (an hour west of Toronto) Both games are great; there are a few regulars in each game that are pretty bad and make the games worthwhile.

Then again, I saw a guy only play 9 hands (AA, AA, AA, JJ, TT, TT, TT, AJs, 77) in four hours and loose most of his buy-in...

Brantford also spreads 30-60 fairly regularly. There are at least 3 places to play 20 within an hour of the city. PM me if you want more info.

-Diplomat

[Ulysses]

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"I'm going on hour #42 or so here without sleep"

I hope you didn't waste it. Another 42 and you'd have seen John Bonham.

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This reminds me of a stretch last year when Tommy would often show up to the card room all rested from a nice day or night's sleep, pull up a chair next to me and say "So, Ulysses, is this 24 or 36 hours for you now?"

[PokerPrince]

"Then again, I saw a guy only play 9 hands (AA,AA,AA,JJ,TT,TT,TT,AJs,77) in four hours and loose most of his buy-in..."

Hey! Wasn't that me? Lol, that was a horrrrrrible run of cards. By the way, the grand total was 10 hands in 8 hours, sigh.

PokerPrince