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thomastem

10-30-2003, 05:44 PM

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My opinion is that your posts are generally a waste of bandwidth. I blame you for the trash not Husker. He's just keeping his promise. Please keep your waste of space to the zoo. The SS forum has gone downhill too much the last few months. We don't need any help from you to accelerate the decline.

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You have my pity. If they sold sense of humor I'd buy you one. Life and poker are not just serious analyzation but are meant to be enjoyed. Let me guess you are trying to get me banned from the site again?

rkiray

10-30-2003, 07:04 PM

Sorry, but I just don't find random animal references funny. If your post were actually funny I'd welcome them. I just find them strange. I didn't know you had been banned, but it would be ok with me. I've always thought your posts were a waste of time but I never said anything before, I just usually skipped your posts. But I was quite annoyed when you made a bet that forced Husker to join the spammers. These pity posts were the last straw for me.

thomastem

10-30-2003, 07:14 PM

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Sorry, but I just don't find random animal references funny. If your post were actually funny I'd welcome them. I just find them strange. I didn't know you had been banned, but it would be ok with me. I've always thought your posts were a waste of time but I never said anything before, I just usually skipped your posts. But I was quite annoyed when you made a bet that forced Husker to join the spammers. These pity posts were the last straw for me.

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I wasn't banned, that coo failed. Pity? The only pity I have is for those that can't smile....I'll include those that begrudge others that do smile.

I'm quite sure that if most felt like you do I wouldn't be posting here. I'm quite sure that this thread wouldn't have very many views on it....but it does.

Spam? Are you kidding me? Best to stick with your plea that talking about animals make you feel dirty.

baggins

10-31-2003, 04:24 AM

random animal references? if you're referring to his Pelican, i believe that's a reference to Hellmuth's garbage book.

if not, then i can honestly say i have not experienced this random animal referencing...

OrangeHeat

10-31-2003, 10:50 AM

I find Thomastem's posts quite entertaining and he does post about poker too.

What's wrong with lightening things up? If you can't enjoy or at least tolerate a little humor - how can you enjoy your day? Side bets happen all the time in the poker world - it lightens the mood - you wan to eliminate those too?

Maybe you don't like them - that's fine. When you see his name on a post - DON'T read it. Lighten up - I cna see you would be a thrill to play with - grumpy and boring..

BTW Thomastem - I LOL everytime I see that pic of your buzzards. Some people enjoy a little humor now and then!

Orange

Joe Tall

10-31-2003, 12:29 PM

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The SS forum was very mean to Husker. I think we should get the ss forum to show a little love for our Texas connection Elvis Husker.

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Husker just has to learn how to use the forum correctly. As it's been said in the past the SS and MHS forums are used for Hand Analysis. General Texas Hold'em is used for general strategy questions, as Poker Theory is used for all poker theory.

I like Husker and his Texaness, however, if he didn't have friends that gave bad examples, maybe he would not have been mislead and reserved his posts for the News, Views or Other Topics forums. I've also seen OT posts in the Zoo often, they don't seem to mind it.

Tell Husker to come back, just to pick his spots when he posts as he picks his spots in poker.

Love, Peace and Hair Grease,
Joe Tall

Stagemusic

10-31-2003, 01:22 PM

Good Lord. Why are you spouting venom at a poster who just wants to have some fun? I wonder how this site would do if only the mathmeticians were allowed to post. Sure, the animal posts are innocuous at worst. But they can be funny at best. So what? I think you need a tune up. Your sense of humor is missing on a cylinder or two. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

rkiray

10-31-2003, 07:40 PM

There are an unlimited number of bbs and chat rooms where Husker can go to rant about Texas. Why should he do it on a forum dedicated to poker? I blame Thomas, who has posted many spams in the past, for corrupting Husker, who had been a fine poster until he lost his bet.

I noticed you registered on 5/15/03. If you are like most of us you probably lurked for at least a little while before you registered. I didn't recognize your name so I looked in your profile. Looks like you mainly post in the zoo or the tourney board, but some of your early posts were on the SS forum. I hope you agree with me that the quality of posts on that forum were much higher in those days than they are now. A few of us "old timers" are just trying to keep the SS board from becoming another zoo. Many of the best SS posters have either left the forum or vist much less than they used to. I believe the type of crappy posts that Thomas and Husker have been posting contributes to these posters not posting as much. If nothing else totally irrevelent posts push actual poker posts down the list. Since we are generating so many more posts than we used to, this is a real problem. Many interesting threads are being pushed down to rapidily to generate the discussion they deserve. I see no benefit whatsoever to the Texas posts. If he must vent like this he should find an appropriate place to do it.

thomastem

10-31-2003, 08:14 PM

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There are an unlimited number of bbs and chat rooms where Husker can go to rant about Texas. Why should he do it on a forum dedicated to poker? I blame Thomas, who has posted many spams in the past, for corrupting Husker, who had been a fine poster until he lost his bet.

I noticed you registered on 5/15/03. If you are like most of us you probably lurked for at least a little while before you registered. I didn't recognize your name so I looked in your profile. Looks like you mainly post in the zoo or the tourney board, but some of your early posts were on the SS forum. I hope you agree with me that the quality of posts on that forum were much higher in those days than they are now. A few of us "old timers" are just trying to keep the SS board from becoming another zoo. Many of the best SS posters have either left the forum or vist much less than they used to. I believe the type of crappy posts that Thomas and Husker have been posting contributes to these posters not posting as much. If nothing else totally irrevelent posts push actual poker posts down the list. Since we are generating so many more posts than we used to, this is a real problem. Many interesting threads are being pushed down to rapidily to generate the discussion they deserve. I see no benefit whatsoever to the Texas posts. If he must vent like this he should find an appropriate place to do it.

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This is really sad. If all the posters are leaving why is 2+2's posts going up? Is two plus two angry about the increase of posts?

At the risk of repeating myself, life and poker need humor. There are a very few people percentage wise that don't need humor. That is fine, it take all kinds, but they have no right to try and extinguish those that do enjoy humor.

Here's the bottom line, and you can quote my opinion, Every poker table and every poker forum needs some brevity.

My buzzard is circling.

rkiray

10-31-2003, 08:59 PM

Obviously you need to learn to read. I didn't say all the posters were leaving, I said all the best posters are leaving. The new people coming in (in general) are no where near as good as Dynasty, Clarkmeister, Rigoloto, David Ross, and others who used to post nearly daily in the SS forum. The main reason the forum has gone downhill is that due to the large rise in the popularity of poker, so there are many more new poster. In the past most of the people have found this site because of 2+2 books, and even most of the newbies asked better questions, because they had been playing poker for a while and had read at least some books. These sites have become too popular IMO. It would be nice if some quality poker forums could be maintained (and I think these forums are the best out there). The internet is full of crappy sites. I think it's worth fighting to keep this one the best. I'm sure Mason and David are very happy with the site's popularity, but I miss the day when the majority of the posts were high quality.

thomastem

10-31-2003, 09:15 PM

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Obviously you need to learn to read. I didn't say all the posters were leaving, I said all the best posters are leaving. The new people coming in (in general) are no where near as good as Dynasty, Clarkmeister, Rigoloto, David Ross, and others who used to post nearly daily in the SS forum. The main reason the forum has gone downhill is that due to the large rise in the popularity of poker, so there are many more new poster. In the past most of the people have found this site because of 2+2 books, and even most of the newbies asked better questions, because they had been playing poker for a while and had read at least some books. These sites have become too popular IMO. It would be nice if some quality poker forums could be maintained (and I think these forums are the best out there). The internet is full of crappy sites. I think it's worth fighting to keep this one the best. I'm sure Mason and David are very happy with the site's popularity, but I miss the day when the majority of the posts were high quality.

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I assure you my critters are of the best quality.

There is more to poker than hand analyzing.

Do you have proof that the old time posters that left did so because they did not feel the quality of all the new posters what up to there level of posting?

Taking me as an example because you have called me a spammer, What would you do about those that enjoy my posts and in part come back because of then others like them?

Regardless of the majority of poker players that post and lurk on this site why do you feel you have the right to define how people post?

Are you saying above that you wish the newbies that enjoy posts like mine or post humor themselves should leave so that the posters that qualify to your standards come back?

Are you able to exert your will like this over co-workers or family members?

lorinda

10-31-2003, 10:38 PM

I think it's worth fighting to keep this one the best.

First time poster to this forum, so please take it easy on me.

If the only people on the forums were people that knew all about the subject matter, then what on Earth would be the point in posting it in the first place?

The first person who ever said that you shouldn't play 49 offsuit under the gun probably made a radical statement, unfortunately the next person who discovers this can't improve the post, so they have to dig deeper into the game.
(Maybe they realise that J5o UTG is pretty weak too)

After several years of this improvement, a newbie comes along and posts "I just worked out that 49o UTG is pretty bad" and everyone laughs at him.

Does that make the newbie a moron? If he had posted it 20 years before, he might have been crowned a genius.

Edit: The same is true for humour, except the newbies when it comes to comedy inject fresh life into some of us tired characters.

Lori

DougBrennan

10-31-2003, 10:54 PM

rkiray,

I don't think this needs extended debate, but just want you to know of at least one person who came for the poker, stays for the poker, and MASSIVLY ENJOYS the humor. I see no reason for there not to be both.

Mat Sklansky

11-01-2003, 10:33 AM

I get paid a pretty small amount to moderate. And given this, it is impossible for me to read or even skim every post made.In fact, most of my time is now spent investigating those posts which I am notified about. Therefore, I am suggesting to you, and everyone, that you liberally use the "notify moderator" icon which is located at the bottom of every post.

Mike Gallo

11-01-2003, 01:42 PM

Husker challenged my Pelican in a tourney and lost. His loss meant that he needs post info on Texas culture for 14 posts.

Why didnt you just challenge him to shave his head if he lost, ala Hellmuth and Varkoni.

I think people need to lighten up a bit.

Rkiray, eventually the cream will rise to the top. We have some good new up and coming posters.

Lorinda you have over 2200 posts I would hardly expect anyone to "flame" you, even if you do post mainly in the "zoo".

Everyone else, lighten up. If you do not like Thomastems posts or Huskers posts, dont read them. Its like pornography if it offends you dont watch it, but dont prevent someone who wants to watch it from watching it.

Joe Tall

11-01-2003, 02:27 PM

I'll give him that.

Everyone chill.

Hey, ray, just grind it out as you do on the table. The spam in the SS will settle. But I do think thomastom needed this a little. As you see in my posts, I try kindly over and over to sharpen tho up a bit. Seemingly, he learns slowly. His humor is unique, I agree, but he's a good kid, I assure.

Lorinda, you are the Queen of 2+2, no one doubts you.

Peace,
Joe Tall

Mike Haven

11-01-2003, 03:18 PM

I see no benefit whatsoever to the Texas posts. If he must vent like this he should find an appropriate place to do it.

You should blame me, not Husker, rkiray.

I encouraged players on both Teams to make side-bets to spice up the SS-Zoo Challenge Tournament, and it was a deliberate attempt by me to get a more-than-normal rivalry thing going. Otherwise it would have been "just another Tournament".

From the public and private feedback I received, after the T, every single player, bar none, (even the poor guy who couldn't get into his seat because of some glitch or other!), said it was one of the most enjoyable Tournaments they had ever played, so the intentional hype succeeded, in my book. (Literally only today, I received a "thank you" letter from the delighted TruePoker's boss, which included an anonymised actual unsolicited 2+2 player's compliment that as he enjoyed the Challenge so much he had played at True ever since.)

One of those side-bets was between Husker and thomastem, and it was published at least twice on both the SS and the Zoo Forums. Not one player, (or reader), made a single comment about the bet, of any consequence - it was accepted as part of the deal.

Bad news for Husker: he lost the side-bet.

Kudos for Husker: he "paid up" with having to make his posts every day.

I really felt for Husker after a few days. He must have been squirming inside as he made his posts. Especially in the SS Forum where it would be obvious to everyone that no one would want to see them.

But Husker took the rough, and carried on posting, because he had lost his bet.

I know that if I ever have to make a bet on trust on the internet with someone I don't know from Adam, I hope it will be with Husker, because I am 100% certain that if I win I will be paid.

And finally, and I am probably revealing a confidence that I shouldn't, thomastem and I have been talking about Husker's posts, privately, and thomastem also could feel Husker's pain, but, rightly so, said if he had lost, he would have met his side of the bet, so he couldn't really stop Husker posting - but at least he would tell him that he would let him off posting in the SS Forum.

They are both good men, and I also include thomastem on my (short) list of people that I trust 100%.

CrackerZack

11-01-2003, 04:42 PM

Wonder if I was the 2+2er with the comment?

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I've been playing at TruePoker more than any other site since the SS/Zoo tourney because I really enjoyed my experience there.

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if so, cool, if not, well, i second the motion.

GuyOnTilt

11-01-2003, 05:49 PM

Hey Thomas,

I don't think I've ever posted in this forum before, but I'll respond anyway. I pretty much am with rkiray on everything he said. I know I've been one of the ones in the SS trying to clean up the forum and cut down on the garbage posts in there. I don't mind humor in posts, in fact I enjoy it. But in the SS, I would prefer that the threads stay poker-oriented, and even beyond that, helpful. Posts about animals or Texan traditions simply don't belong there. I also get annoyed at bad beat posts with no purpose other than to whine.

I'm not berating you or anything. You've been very good about keeping your posts in SS to poker only and I appreciate it. I'm just saying that I agree with everything rkiray had to say. I'd hate to see our forum go the way of RGP and the like. If we can sacrifice quantity for quality, then we should.

GoT

rkiray

11-01-2003, 07:44 PM

Mike Haven

11-01-2003, 08:38 PM

You know you wouldn't welch on a bet either, Guy, so why give Husker hassle?

Once the two weeks are over, he'll be back to the posts he wants to make, as everyone knows.

I respect Husker for the guts he has shown in this, and I hope that he is a stronger man than me in taking flak, in that he stays here as a respected poster after he meets his self-imposed forced obligations.

XlgJoe

11-02-2003, 01:16 AM

I read the "2 + 2 forum" forum nearly every day (although I do not post that often). I guess I am lucky I read this thread. I never knew there were so many rules to posting on this forum. First off I thought it was one forum "2 +2 forum". Now I find out that people I never realized were in charge run each section of the forum.

I have a few comments/questions regarding rikary's posts. First of all it sounds similar to the US government where we need someone to save us from ourselves. They want to control/outlaw Internet gambling because it doesn't meet their requirements. You want to eliminate posting that doesn't meet your requirements

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I hope you agree with me that the quality of posts on that forum were much higher in those days than they are now. A few of us "old timers" are just trying to keep the SS board from becoming another zoo.

Many of the best SS posters have either left the forum or vist much less than they used to. I believe the type of crappy posts that Thomas and Husker have been posting contributes to these posters not posting as much.

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Second could you refer me to some of the posts by dynasty, clarkmeister, etc that stated that they stopped posting because of a few off topic posts. Myself I think it could be more related to the arguments about the correct play of a hand. Some of these arguments became quite bitter and eventually degenerated into personal attacks.

If you are going to fix a problem on the small stakes forum make sure you really have a problem. And if you do have a problem, make sure you correctly identify the problem.

snakehead

11-02-2003, 04:17 AM

in other words, you're not paid enough to do a good job?

thomastem

11-02-2003, 03:44 PM

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I get paid a pretty small amount to moderate. And given this, it is impossible for me to read or even skim every post made.In fact, most of my time is now spent investigating those posts which I am notified about. Therefore, I am suggesting to you, and everyone, that you liberally use the "notify moderator" icon which is located at the bottom of every post.

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It will be nice, no mention of names, that an individual will stop complaining about my SS posts in my news/reviews posts.

I would love to be a fly on the wall when matt reads an email like this: "I'm upset because this guy includes animals in his posts on the New/Views forum and it's ruining the SS forum and posters that posted a year ago stopped because this is evil."

Mr Sklansky they, I'm sure, don't pay you enough money for this Romper Room crap.

rkiray

11-02-2003, 07:26 PM

I have never complained to Mat Sklandsky about your posts. But rest assured the next time I see a post by you that looks that spam to me I will rapidily bring it to Mat's attetion. I apreciate him pointing out the button at the bottom of each post. I never noticed it.

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It will be nice, no mention of names, that an individual will stop complaining about my SS posts in my news/reviews posts.

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All I did was reply to a string you started. But I believe this is the proper forum to discuss issues like this. The main theme of my previous posts was that I think the poker forums should be used to discuss poker not off-topic issues. You seem to be confused about the purposes of the various forums.

lorinda

11-02-2003, 07:37 PM

I propose adding one new animal each time he complains, until he submits.

Lori

thomastem

11-02-2003, 08:35 PM

I gotta laugh, this reminds me of Phil Helmuth complaining about people at his table or telling jokes while he is thinking about poker.

Rkiray if you wish to complain you have every right to. Someone that keeps banging their head on wall has the same right. No argument, however do you think that my animals will not be allowed to talk poker on this forum?

Since you feel this strongly why not enter into the next two+two tourney on True and challenge me. I'll even leave my Bison in heat home that day. This is a great deal because I can't play and my goat can't figure out which cards are wild. Would you have the same honor Husker has if I somehow miraculously beat you?

Dude lighten up even Joe Tall can't take your side. Break out the preparation H and enjoy life a little.

rkiray

11-02-2003, 09:05 PM

I actually find this post hilarious after all the things you have said about me in the zoo. You seem much more worked up over this than I am. BTW, I recommend that you learn to use the the quote buttons below, instead of grossly distorting what I say when you talk about my posts. But that would take all the fun out of your rantings, wouldn't it.

daryn

11-02-2003, 09:16 PM

i can see this turning into a bitch fest fast.. why don't you guys finish it in private messages?

thomastem

11-02-2003, 09:24 PM

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I actually find this post hilarious after all the things you have said about me in the zoo. You seem much more worked up over this than I am. BTW, I recommend that you learn to use the the quote buttons below, instead of grossly distorting what I say when you talk about my posts. But that would take all the fun out of your rantings, wouldn't it.

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So there is no misunderstanding. My concern stemmed from you calling Husker a spammer when he is leading by example and honoring his bet. Even though the terms of this bet were posted on SS well before the contest took place and no one complained prior to it, once Husker started making his Texan post he started catching crap from a couple SSers.

This was wrong to do to Husker. If there were a problem with his wager someone should have spoke up before the event and we could have changed the terms. As it stands I did change the terms and told Husker he didn't have to post them on the SS forum anymore.

Yes I am guilty of taking this issue seriously and brought it to the Zoos forum for their attention.

My last post, in a humorous way, offered a poker solution. You give me the impression that you have deep seated hatred here with the way you won't let it die. Can't you have a little tolerence with people you don't find funny? Are you Phil Helmuth in disguise?