Up and down; where next

[jlbreak]

I enjoy the posts here and have become a lover of this game.
I think it's time for me to step back though, as I am not sure where to go next.
I've only logged about 3000 hands on my tracker and am not sure where to go next.
Basically,

After 1500 hands, up $85
After 3000 hands, up $7

Seeing flop not in blinds 13 - 15%
around 25% of all flops

Zoomed up $100 in only 4 or 5 days after improving my position play (thanks to Holdem for advanced/Helmuth's book had me playing the first 3 positions left of dealer as up front instead of left of blinds)

Last 10 days nothing but bad cards, outdrawn, etc.


I don't bluff because .5/1 tables at party because it just doesn't look profitable due to low stakes letting everyone play anything and everything to river. Also, it's hard for me to get a fast read on other players with the 1000s of different players zooming in and out of games.



I am thinking of moving up to 1/2 tables, but I think I need to be able to clobber these tables and build up a good bankroll so that I feel ok being more aggressive as I move up.

I am re-reading both Poker theory and Holdem for adv, but am definitely getting a little discouraged.

I am also ready for a few good/honest suggestions.

Sorry for the long post, any help is appreciated.

My game has become much, much better than when I started, but I'm not sure where to focus my poker studies.

[CMangano]

3000 hands is not that many hands. Playing 2 tables you can easily play 3000 hands in 30 hours or less. However, if you have only made 7 bb's in 30 hours, that doesn't sound right. Do you make big laydowns on the turn or river? Do you play your hands aggressively enough?

I would post some hands and see what others think. Go through your tracker and find some hands that you think you may have played incorrectly or have questions on. Even post some of your "no-brainer" type hands and make sure you are getting the most from them.

[Tosh]

I wouldn't ever recommend moving up limits until you can regularly beat your current limit.

If you post some hands on here you will soon discover where your major problems lie.

[jlbreak]

I do have a lot of trouble playing agressively against the .5/1 players. I only seem to loose more money.

And the $7 is not BB, it's how my total profit has dropped too after the last 1500 hands.

[CMangano]

$7 at the .5/1 limit is also 7bb's. Just like $1000 at the .5/1 would be 1000bb's. So in 30 (or more) hours of play you are averaging about .3bb's/hour. It's better than losing but I don't think you are ready to move up.

I would post some hands. I would also read Winning Low Limit Hold'em by Lee Jones. He probably errs on the side of tightness for these games, but I think it is the best book for someone just learning. HPFAP is a great book, but many of those plays don't work at these limits.

[NRS]

[ QUOTE ]
I enjoy the posts here and have become a lover of this game.
I think it's time for me to step back though, as I am not sure where to go next.
I've only logged about 3000 hands on my tracker and am not sure where to go next.
Basically,

After 1500 hands, up $85
After 3000 hands, up $7

Seeing flop not in blinds 13 - 15%
around 25% of all flops

[/ QUOTE ]

I think you can probably play a few more hands profitably. Roughly 30% of hands have a positive EV on a 10-person table given the (rather dubious) assumption that all players play through all the way. While some of those hands shouldn't be played because they're very difficult to leverage post-flop, 13-15% is too low, and if the other players are paying attention to your game, it will be difficult to extract bets out of them when you hit something.

[ QUOTE ]
I am thinking of moving up to 1/2 tables, but I think I need to be able to clobber these tables and build up a good bankroll so that I feel ok being more aggressive as I move up.

[/ QUOTE ]

There's nothing to fear about the $1/$2 tables unless you're worried about your bankroll. There are still plenty of poor players.

Aggressive play is rewarded more as you move up; for me that's great because that's my style anyway (I seem to have hit my stride at $2/$4), but if you've been playing a passive, technical game (boring!!!) you may need to shift gears a little bit.

[jlbreak]

I haven't worded my post correctly,

After being up 88 after 1500 hands, things have gone so bad in the last week or so that the 88 is now down to 7, I've lost 81 BB.

I'm a little leary of posting hands for fear that I'll only make myself an easier target.

If I do post hand histories, how many and what type of hands should I post.

Thanks for the help though, and I will try to post some hand histories soon.

[CMangano]

"I think you can probably play a few more hands profitably. Roughly 30% of hands have a positive EV on a 10-person table given the (rather dubious) assumption that all players play through all the way. While some of those hands shouldn't be played because they're very difficult to leverage post-flop, 13-15% is too low, and if the other players are paying attention to your game, it will be difficult to extract bets out of them when you hit something."

This may be true, but I think very few people can play 30% of the hands for +EV. I don't think 13-15% is too low (this is outside the blinds), especially when you are just starting.

"There's nothing to fear about the $1/$2 tables unless you're worried about your bankroll. There are still plenty of poor players."

Exactly, so no reason to think moving up is the answer. When he can beat these games consistently, he can think about moving up.

[CMangano]

You're misunderstanding what I am saying. After 3000 hands, you are showing a 7bb profit (or a $7 profit). Granted, at one time you had an 88bb (or $88 profit), but after 3000 hands you don't. It is all one big session, and 3000 hands into your session, you are up 7bb's (or $7), that is how you need to look at it.

You won't learn unless you post hands. Sure, you will probably find out you are doing a lot of things wrong, but people won't be saying it in a way to insult you. They will be doing it in a way to show you were you are making mistakes, and how you should fix those mistakes.

As for hands, I would check my Poker Tracker and find hands that you are losing money with that you think you shouldn't be (like if you were losing money with AK for instance). I would also find hands you are winning money with that you should be, and post some of those, especially if you were against an aggressive opponent. You may be calling when you should raise, checking when you should bet, etc. Only way to find out is to post some hands.

If I had to guess, I would say you are not value betting the river enough. You are going into call down mode too soon (getting raised on flop with big hands), and folding on the turn or river incorrectly.

[Tosh]

[ QUOTE ]
I'm a little leary of posting hands for fear that I'll only make myself an easier target.


[/ QUOTE ]

Its the best way to learn.

If you post some hands make sure to write them out in a readable format and not just copy and paste the history.

[jlbreak]

Here are a few AK hands.

***** Hand History for Game 161757329 *****
0.50/1 TEXASHTGAMETABLE (LIMIT) - THU SEP 04 20:43:41 EDT 2003
Table Card Room Table 1375 (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: johnfran ( $20.25)
Seat 2: JackLimpin ( $24.50)
Seat 3: jillpickle ( $46)
Seat 4: Cawns ( $3.50)
Seat 5: CardHock ( $22.75)
Seat 6: pinaxx ( $25.25)
Seat 7: jlbreak ( $21.75)
Seat 8: huckelberry ( $11)
Seat 9: BristolBane ( $65)
Seat 10: eMunch ( $31)
BristolBane posts small blind (0.25)
eMunch posts big blind (0.50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to jlbreak [ Ah, Kc ]
johnfran folds.
JackLimpin folds.
jillpickle folds.
Cawns calls (0.50)
CardHock folds.
pinaxx calls (0.50)
jlbreak calls (0.50)
huckelberry calls (0.50)
BristolBane folds.
eMunch checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 4h, 8h, Ts ]
eMunch checks.
Cawns checks.
pinaxx bets (0.50)
jlbreak calls (0.50)
huckelberry calls (0.50)
eMunch calls (0.50)
Cawns folds.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Th ]
eMunch checks.
pinaxx bets (1)
jlbreak folds.
huckelberry folds.
eMunch folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: $5.75 | Rake: $0
Board: [ 4h 8h Ts Th ]
johnfran balance $20.25, didn't bet (folded)
JackLimpin balance $24.50, didn't bet (folded)
jillpickle balance $46, didn't bet (folded)
Cawns balance $3, lost $0.50 (folded)
CardHock balance $22.75, didn't bet (folded)
pinaxx balance $29, bet $2, collected $5.75, net +$3.75
jlbreak balance $20.75, lost $1 (folded)
huckelberry balance $10, lost $1 (folded)
BristolBane balance $64.75, lost $0.25 (folded)
eMunch balance $30, lost $1 (folded)


***** Hand History for Game 161695357 *****
0.50/1 TEXASHTGAMETABLE (LIMIT) - THU SEP 04 19:36:16 EDT 2003
Table Card Room Table 1375 (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Nealwp ( $36)
Seat 2: llednew1 ( $14.75)
Seat 3: jillpickle ( $28.50)
Seat 4: Cawns ( $38.25)
Seat 5: fkohutek ( $21.50)
Seat 6: pinaxx ( $7.50)
Seat 7: jlbreak ( $21.75)
Seat 8: jaces23 ( $18.75)
Seat 9: Benz91 ( $28.50)
Seat 10: dorisdvu ( $15.50)
Benz91 posts small blind (0.25)
dorisdvu posts big blind (0.50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to jlbreak [ Kc, Ah ]
llednew1 calls (0.50)
jillpickle folds.
Cawns folds.
fkohutek calls (0.50)
pinaxx calls (0.50)
jlbreak calls (0.50)
jaces23 folds.
Benz91 calls (0.25)
dorisdvu checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ As, 7s, Js ]
Benz91 bets (0.50)
dorisdvu folds.
llednew1 calls (0.50)
fkohutek calls (0.50)
pinaxx calls (0.50)
jlbreak calls (0.50)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 8s ]
Benz91 checks.
llednew1 bets (1)
fkohutek folds.
pinaxx calls (1)
jlbreak folds.
Benz91 folds.
** Dealing River ** : [ 6s ]
llednew1 bets (1)
pinaxx calls (1)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $9 | Rake: $0.50
Board: [ As 7s Js 8s 6s ]
Nealwp balance $36, sits out
llednew1 balance $20.75, bet $3, collected $9, net +$6 [ 5d Ks ] [ a flush, ace high with king kicker -- As,Ks,Js,8s,7s ]
jillpickle balance $28.50, didn't bet (folded)
Cawns balance $38.25, didn't bet (folded)
fkohutek balance $20.50, lost $1 (folded)
pinaxx balance $4.50, lost $3 [ Jh Ts ] [ a flush, ace high -- As,Js,Ts,8s,7s ]
jlbreak balance $20.75, lost $1 (folded)
jaces23 balance $18.75, didn't bet (folded)
Benz91 balance $27.50, lost $1 (folded)
dorisdvu balance $15, lost $0.50 (folded)


***** Hand History for Game 160771670 *****
0.50/1 TEXASHTGAMETABLE (LIMIT) - WED SEP 03 19:45:50 EDT 2003
Table Card Room Table 1664 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: jpm18490 ( $32.75)
Seat 2: No_Nuts ( $15.75)
Seat 3: superfreakie ( $8.50)
Seat 4: bcb1967 ( $2.75)
Seat 5: ddurandd ( $27)
Seat 6: jlbreak ( $21.25)
Seat 7: duhwhat ( $30)
Seat 8: jenshane ( $37.75)
Seat 9: HatePlow ( $23)
Seat 10: Marinegrunt ( $27)
jlbreak posts small blind (0.25)
duhwhat posts big blind (0.50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to jlbreak [ Kd, Ah ]
jenshane calls (0.50)
HatePlow folds.
jpm18490 folds.
No_Nuts folds.
superfreakie folds.
bcb1967 calls (0.50)
ddurandd folds.
jlbreak calls (0.25)
duhwhat checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Qc, 9s, 5c ]
jlbreak checks.
duhwhat checks.
jenshane checks.
bcb1967 checks.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Ad ]
jlbreak bets (1)
duhwhat folds.
jenshane calls (1)
bcb1967 folds.
** Dealing River ** : [ 8h ]
jlbreak bets (1)
jenshane calls (1)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $5.50 | Rake: $0.50
Board: [ Qc 9s 5c Ad 8h ]
jpm18490 balance $32.75, didn't bet (folded)
No_Nuts balance $15.75, didn't bet (folded)
superfreakie balance $8.50, didn't bet (folded)
bcb1967 balance $2.25, lost $0.50 (folded)
ddurandd balance $27, didn't bet (folded)
jlbreak balance $24.25, bet $2.50, collected $5.50, net +$3 [ Kd Ah ] [ a pair of aces -- Ah,Ad,Kd,Qc,9s ]
duhwhat balance $29.50, lost $0.50 (folded)
jenshane balance $35.25, lost $2.50 [ 6s 5h ] [ a pair of fives -- Ad,Qc,9s,5h,5c ]
HatePlow balance $23, didn't bet (folded)
Marinegrunt balance $27, sits out


***** Hand History for Game 157976400 *****
0.50/1 TEXASHTGAMETABLE (LIMIT) - SUN AUG 31 22:52:13 EDT 2003
Table Card Room Table 1376 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: jlbreak ( $21.25)
Seat 2: sher0166 ( $25.75)
Seat 3: tonyk24 ( $12.50)
Seat 4: craigsonny ( $32.50)
Seat 6: KevinZ ( $17.50)
Seat 7: trizip ( $22)
Seat 8: gotovegas ( $17.50)
Seat 10: Dizzy15 ( $38.25)
KevinZ posts small blind (0.25)
trizip posts big blind (0.50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to jlbreak [ Kc, Ad ]
gotovegas calls (0.50)
Dizzy15 folds.
jlbreak calls (0.50)
sher0166 folds.
tonyk24 calls (0.50)
craigsonny folds.
KevinZ raises (0.75) to 1
trizip folds.
gotovegas calls (0.50)
jlbreak raises (1) to 1.50
tonyk24 folds.
KevinZ calls (0.50)
gotovegas calls (0.50)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Kh, 8d, 4s ]
KevinZ checks.
gotovegas checks.
jlbreak bets (0.50)
KevinZ calls (0.50)
gotovegas calls (0.50)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 6d ]
KevinZ checks.
gotovegas checks.
jlbreak bets (1)
KevinZ raises (2) to 2
gotovegas calls (2)
jlbreak raises (2) to 3
KevinZ raises (2) to 4
gotovegas calls (2)
jlbreak calls (1)
** Dealing River ** : [ Jd ]
KevinZ bets (1)
gotovegas folds.
jlbreak calls (1)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $20 | Rake: $1
Board: [ Kh 8d 4s 6d Jd ]
jlbreak balance $14.25, lost $7 [ Kc Ad ] [ a pair of kings -- Ad,Kc,Kh,Jd,8d ]
sher0166 balance $25.75, didn't bet (folded)
tonyk24 balance $12, lost $0.50 (folded)
craigsonny balance $32.50, didn't bet (folded)
KevinZ balance $30.50, bet $7, collected $20, net +$13 [ 8c 8h ] [ three of a kind, eights -- Kh,Jd,8c,8h,8d ]
trizip balance $21.50, lost $0.50 (folded)
gotovegas balance $11.50, lost $6 (folded)
Dizzy15 balance $38.25, didn't bet (folded)


***** Hand History for Game 154753521 *****
0.50/1 TEXASHTGAMETABLE (LIMIT) - FRI AUG 29 05:15:08 EDT 2003
Table Card Room Table 2162 (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Cknevel ( $43.75)
Seat 2: Peapack ( $32.25)
Seat 3: pickleboo ( $31.50)
Seat 4: jlbreak ( $15.25)
Seat 5: SumoBoy ( $11)
Seat 6: zebra777 ( $8)
Seat 7: TitleMike ( $864)
Seat 8: Noob2222 ( $12.75)
Seat 9: MILLA ( $10)
Seat 10: KB3Baby ( $32)
jlbreak posts small blind (0.25)
SumoBoy posts big blind (0.50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to jlbreak [ Kd, Ac ]
zebra777 calls (0.50)
Noob2222 calls (0.50)
MILLA calls (0.50)
KB3Baby calls (0.50)
Cknevel calls (0.50)
Peapack folds.
pickleboo calls (0.50)
jlbreak calls (0.25)
SumoBoy checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Th, Ah, 7d ]
jlbreak bets (0.50)
SumoBoy calls (0.50)
zebra777 calls (0.50)
Noob2222 raises (1) to 1
MILLA folds.
KB3Baby folds.
Cknevel calls (1)
pickleboo folds.
jlbreak calls (0.50)
SumoBoy calls (0.50)
zebra777 calls (0.50)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 6d ]
jlbreak checks.
SumoBoy checks.
zebra777 checks.
Noob2222 bets (1)
Cknevel raises (2) to 2
jlbreak calls (2)
SumoBoy folds.
zebra777 calls (2)
Noob2222 calls (1)
** Dealing River ** : [ 8d ]
jlbreak checks.
zebra777 checks.
Noob2222 checks.
Cknevel checks.
** Summary **
Main Pot: $16.50 | Rake: $0.50
Board: [ Th Ah 7d 6d 8d ]
Cknevel balance $40.25, lost $3.50 [ Kc Qh ] [ high card ace -- Ah,Kc,Qh,Th,8d ]
Peapack balance $32.25, didn't bet (folded)
pickleboo balance $31, lost $0.50 (folded)
jlbreak balance $11.75, lost $3.50 [ Kd Ac ] [ a pair of aces -- Ac,Ah,Kd,Th,8d ]
SumoBoy balance $9.50, lost $1.50 (folded)
zebra777 balance $4.50, lost $3.50 [ Qd Kh ] [ high card ace -- Ah,Kh,Qd,Th,8d ]
TitleMike balance $864, sits out
Noob2222 balance $25.75, bet $3.50, collected $16.50, net +$13 [ 7c Tc ] [ two pairs, tens and sevens -- Ah,Tc,Th,7c,7d ]
MILLA balance $9.50, lost $0.50 (folded)
KB3Baby balance $31.50, lost $0.50 (folded)


***** Hand History for Game 154065730 *****
0.50/1 TEXASHTGAMETABLE (LIMIT) - THU AUG 28 18:10:59 EDT 2003
Table Card Room Table 1375 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: guyman ( $18.50)
Seat 2: flopalot ( $9)
Seat 3: SELTZ ( $2.75)
Seat 5: mayfair2 ( $26.25)
Seat 6: barry65 ( $36.50)
Seat 7: Vanstrug ( $29)
Seat 8: EddieMac17 ( $24.50)
Seat 9: PapaOti ( $37)
Seat 10: guyran ( $31)
barry65 posts small blind (0.25)
Vanstrug posts big blind (0.50)
jlbreak posts big blind (0.50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to jlbreak [ As, Kd ]
EddieMac17 calls (0.50)
PapaOti calls (0.50)
guyran calls (0.50)
guyman folds.
flopalot calls (0.50)
SELTZ folds.
jlbreak checks.
mayfair2 calls (0.50)
barry65 calls (0.25)
Vanstrug checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Jd, Qh, 3s ]
barry65 checks.
Vanstrug checks.
EddieMac17 checks.
PapaOti checks.
guyran checks.
flopalot bets (0.50)
jlbreak calls (0.50)
mayfair2 calls (0.50)
barry65 folds.
Vanstrug calls (0.50)
EddieMac17 folds.
PapaOti calls (0.50)
guyran folds.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 9s ]
Vanstrug checks.
PapaOti checks.
flopalot bets (1)
jlbreak calls (1)
mayfair2 calls (1)
Vanstrug calls (1)
PapaOti folds.
** Dealing River ** : [ Kh ]
Vanstrug bets (1)
flopalot raises (2) to 2
jlbreak calls (2)
mayfair2 folds.
Vanstrug raises (2) to 3
flopalot calls (1)
jlbreak folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: $18 | Rake: $0.50
Board: [ Jd Qh 3s 9s Kh ]
guyman balance $18.50, didn't bet (folded)
flopalot balance $4, lost $5 [ Qs Tc ] [ a straight, nine to king -- Kh,Qs,Jd,Tc,9s ]
SELTZ balance $2.75, didn't bet (folded)
jlbreak balance $21, lost $4 (folded)
mayfair2 balance $24.25, lost $2 (folded)
barry65 balance $36, lost $0.50 (folded)
Vanstrug balance $42, bet $5, collected $18, net +$13 [ Ad Th ] [ a straight, ten to ace -- Ad,Kh,Qh,Jd,Th ]
EddieMac17 balance $24, lost $0.50 (folded)
PapaOti balance $36, lost $1 (folded)
guyran balance $30.50, lost $0.50 (folded)


***** Hand History for Game 149471544 *****
0.50/1 TEXASHTGAMETABLE (LIMIT) - SUN AUG 24 20:21:19 EDT 2003
Table Card Room Table 1745 (Real Money) -- Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Rhamda ( $25.50)
Seat 2: Mezar5 ( $46.75)
Seat 3: Narrator ( $20.50)
Seat 4: HARTSQUEEN ( $54.50)
Seat 5: johnguhn ( $35.50)
Seat 6: jlbreak ( $24)
Seat 7: MJ101 ( $10)
Seat 8: cacalakekid ( $19)
Seat 9: rabman49 ( $29.25)
Seat 10: selim1213 ( $12)
Narrator posts small blind (0.25)
HARTSQUEEN posts big blind (0.50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to jlbreak [ Kd, Ac ]
johnguhn raises (1) to 1
jlbreak calls (1)
MJ101 calls (1)
rabman49 folds.
selim1213 calls (1)
Rhamda folds.
Mezar5 folds.
Narrator folds.
HARTSQUEEN calls (0.50)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Kh, Td, As ]
HARTSQUEEN checks.
johnguhn bets (0.50)
jlbreak calls (0.50)
MJ101 calls (0.50)
selim1213 calls (0.50)
HARTSQUEEN folds.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Tc ]
johnguhn bets (1)
jlbreak calls (1)
MJ101 folds.
selim1213 calls (1)
** Dealing River ** : [ 7c ]
johnguhn bets (1)
jlbreak calls (1)
selim1213 calls (1)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $12.75 | Rake: $0.50
Board: [ Kh Td As Tc 7c ]
Rhamda balance $25.50, didn't bet (folded)
Mezar5 balance $46.75, didn't bet (folded)
Narrator balance $20.25, lost $0.25 (folded)
HARTSQUEEN balance $53.50, lost $1 (folded)
johnguhn balance $32, lost $3.50 [ Ks Qs ] [ two pairs, kings and tens -- As,Ks,Kh,Td,Tc ]
jlbreak balance $33.25, bet $3.50, collected $12.75, net +$9.25 [ Kd Ac ] [ two pairs, aces and kings -- Ac,As,Kd,Kh,Td ]
MJ101 balance $8.50, lost $1.50 (folded)
cacalakekid balance $19, sits out
rabman49 balance $29.25, didn't bet (folded)
selim1213 balance $8.50, lost $3.50 [ Ah 6h ] [ two pairs, aces and tens -- Ah,As,Kh,Td,Tc ]


***** Hand History for Game 129834001 *****
0.50/1 TEXASHTGAMETABLE (LIMIT) - FRI AUG 08 01:49:25 EDT 2003
Table Card Room Table 2009 (Real Money) -- Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: yota61275 ( $12.75)
Seat 2: warehouse41 ( $22)
Seat 3: md2791 ( $16.50)
Seat 4: travis1016 ( $4)
Seat 5: blazinJ ( $13)
Seat 6: AndrewGMoney ( $18.75)
Seat 7: rerun ( $23.75)
Seat 8: jlbreak ( $21.25)
Seat 9: pooper888 ( $37.25)
Seat 10: Pokerkid86 ( $50.25)
md2791 posts small blind (0.25)
travis1016 posts big blind (0.50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to jlbreak [ Kh, Ac ]
blazinJ calls (0.50)
AndrewGMoney folds.
jlbreak calls (0.50)
pooper888 folds.
Pokerkid86 calls (0.50)
yota61275 calls (0.50)
warehouse41 folds.
md2791 calls (0.25)
travis1016 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 6s, 4h, As ]
md2791 checks.
travis1016 checks.
blazinJ checks.
jlbreak bets (0.50)
Pokerkid86 calls (0.50)
yota61275 folds.
md2791 calls (0.50)
travis1016 folds.
blazinJ calls (0.50)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 7c ]
md2791 checks.
blazinJ bets (1)
jlbreak calls (1)
Pokerkid86 folds.
md2791 folds.
** Dealing River ** : [ Th ]
blazinJ checks.
jlbreak checks.
** Summary **
Main Pot: $6.50 | Rake: $0.50
Board: [ 6s 4h As 7c Th ]
yota61275 balance $12.25, lost $0.50 (folded)
warehouse41 balance $22, didn't bet (folded)
md2791 balance $15.50, lost $1 (folded)
travis1016 balance $3.50, lost $0.50 (folded)
blazinJ balance $11, lost $2 [ Ad 8c ] [ a pair of aces -- Ad,As,Th,8c,7c ]
AndrewGMoney balance $18.75, didn't bet (folded)
rerun balance $23.75, sits out
jlbreak balance $25.75, bet $2, collected $6.50, net +$4.50 [ Kh Ac ] [ a pair of aces with king kicker -- Ac,As,Kh,Th,7cKh(kicker card) ]
pooper888 balance $37.25, didn't bet (folded)
Pokerkid86 balance $49.25, lost $1 (folded)


***** Hand History for Game 129814510 *****
0.50/1 TEXASHTGAMETABLE (LIMIT) - FRI AUG 08 01:31:30 EDT 2003
Table Card Room Table 2009 (Real Money) -- Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: yota61275 ( $5.50)
Seat 2: warehouse41 ( $22)
Seat 3: md2791 ( $27)
Seat 4: vchima ( $20)
Seat 5: blazinJ ( $17.75)
Seat 6: AndrewGMoney ( $2.25)
Seat 7: rerun ( $25.50)
Seat 8: jlbreak ( $24)
Seat 9: pooper888 ( $37)
Seat 10: eskimo ( $19.25)
md2791 posts small blind (0.25)
vchima posts big blind (0.50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to jlbreak [ Kd, Ac ]
blazinJ calls (0.50)
AndrewGMoney folds.
rerun folds.
jlbreak calls (0.50)
pooper888 folds.
eskimo calls (0.50)
yota61275 calls (0.50)
warehouse41 folds.
md2791 calls (0.25)
vchima checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Ad, Kh, 5h ]
md2791 checks.
vchima checks.
blazinJ folds.
jlbreak bets (0.50)
eskimo calls (0.50)
yota61275 calls (0.50)
md2791 calls (0.50)
vchima calls (0.50)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 5d ]
md2791 checks.
vchima bets (1)
jlbreak calls (1)
eskimo calls (1)
yota61275 folds.
md2791 folds.
** Dealing River ** : [ 9d ]
blazinJ: how is everyone tonite?
vchima bets (1)
jlbreak calls (1)
eskimo calls (1)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $11 | Rake: $0.50
Board: [ Ad Kh 5h 5d 9d ]
yota61275 balance $4.50, lost $1 (folded)
warehouse41 balance $22, didn't bet (folded)
md2791 balance $26, lost $1 (folded)
vchima balance $28, bet $3, collected $11, net +$8 [ Jc 5s ] [ three of a kind, fives -- Ad,Kh,5s,5h,5d ]
blazinJ balance $17.25, lost $0.50 (folded)
AndrewGMoney balance $2.25, didn't bet (folded)
rerun balance $25.50, didn't bet (folded)
jlbreak balance $21, lost $3 [ Kd Ac ] [ two pairs, aces and kings -- Ac,Ad,Kd,Kh,9d ]
pooper888 balance $37, didn't bet (folded)
eskimo balance $16.25, lost $3 [ Ks Jh ] [ two pairs, kings and fives -- Ad,Ks,Kh,5h,5d ]


***** Hand History for Game 128589818 *****
0.50/1 TEXASHTGAMETABLE (LIMIT) - THU AUG 07 02:28:19 EDT 2003
Table Card Room Table 1683 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: jlbreak ( $30.50)
Seat 2: terricola ( $35.50)
Seat 3: omergibson ( $24.50)
Seat 4: Nicocap ( $13.25)
Seat 5: DGJJR ( $20)
Seat 6: mcforward ( $30.50)
Seat 7: Mir_mcfly ( $40)
Seat 9: POPPIE1955 ( $30)
Seat 10: MuppetKiller ( $20)
mcforward posts small blind (0.25)
Mir_mcfly posts big blind (0.50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to jlbreak [ Ks, Ad ]
POPPIE1955 folds.
MuppetKiller raises (1) to 1
jlbreak raises (1.50) to 1.50
terricola calls (1.50)
omergibson folds.
Nicocap calls (1.50)
DGJJR folds.
mcforward folds.
Mir_mcfly folds.
MuppetKiller calls (0.50)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ As, Kh, 8h ]
MuppetKiller checks.
jlbreak checks.
terricola bets (0.50)
Nicocap calls (0.50)
MuppetKiller calls (0.50)
jlbreak calls (0.50)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 2h ]
MuppetKiller checks.
jlbreak bets (1)
terricola calls (1)
Nicocap folds.
MuppetKiller calls (1)
** Dealing River ** : [ Qh ]
MuppetKiller checks.
jlbreak bets (1)
terricola calls (1)
MuppetKiller calls (1)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $14.25 | Rake: $0.50
Board: [ As Kh 8h 2h Qh ]
jlbreak balance $26.50, lost $4 [ Ks Ad ] [ two pairs, aces and kings -- Ad,As,Ks,Kh,Qh ]
terricola balance $45.75, bet $4, collected $14.25, net +$10.25 [ 8c 8s ] [ three of a kind, eights -- As,Kh,8c,8s,8h ]
omergibson balance $24.50, didn't bet (folded)
Nicocap balance $11.25, lost $2 (folded)
DGJJR balance $20, didn't bet (folded)
mcforward balance $30.25, lost $0.25 (folded)
Mir_mcfly balance $39.50, lost $0.50 (folded)
POPPIE1955 balance $30, didn't bet (folded)
MuppetKiller balance $16, lost $4 [ Js Ac ] [ a pair of aces -- Ac,As,Kh,Qh,Js ]
POPPIE1955 has left the table.

[jlbreak]

Ooops, sorry, I just did exactly that, first time posting hands. I'll redo them if they are not useable

[Stu Pidasso]

[ QUOTE ]
I've only logged about 3000 hands on my tracker and am not sure where to go next.
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After 3000 hands, up $7


[/ QUOTE ]

You could be playing with a positive expectation and have negative results after only 3000 hands. Consversly you could be a total fish and be way up after only 3000 hands.

Keep plugging away. When you have 15000-20000 hands behind you, and your averaging about 1-1.5 bb/hr, think back to your original post in this thread. The lesson you should learn is that in poker, its very easy to have a 81 BB losing streak(actually your going to have even bigger losing streaks).

Stu

[jlbreak]

I hope this is better to read, let me know what else to delete if there is still too much junk.



Table Card Room Table 1375 (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: johnfran ( $20.25)
Seat 2: JackLimpin ( $24.50)
Seat 3: jillpickle ( $46)
Seat 4: Cawns ( $3.50)
Seat 5: CardHock ( $22.75)
Seat 6: pinaxx ( $25.25)
Seat 7: jlbreak ( $21.75)
Seat 8: huckelberry ( $11)
Seat 9: BristolBane ( $65)
Seat 10: eMunch ( $31)
BristolBane posts small blind (0.25)
eMunch posts big blind (0.50)

** Dealing down cards **

Dealt to jlbreak [ Ah, Kc ]

johnfran folds.
JackLimpin folds.
jillpickle folds.
Cawns calls (0.50)
CardHock folds.
pinaxx calls (0.50)
jlbreak calls (0.50)
huckelberry calls (0.50)
BristolBane folds.
eMunch checks.

** Dealing Flop ** : [ 4h, 8h, Ts ]

eMunch checks.
Cawns checks.
pinaxx bets (0.50)
jlbreak calls (0.50)
huckelberry calls (0.50)
eMunch calls (0.50)
Cawns folds.

** Dealing Turn ** : [ Th ]

eMunch checks.
pinaxx bets (1)
jlbreak folds.
huckelberry folds.
eMunch folds.

** Summary **
Main Pot: $5.75 | Rake: $0

Board: [ 4h 8h Ts Th ]

johnfran balance $20.25, didn't bet (folded)
JackLimpin balance $24.50, didn't bet (folded)
jillpickle balance $46, didn't bet (folded)
Cawns balance $3, lost $0.50 (folded)
CardHock balance $22.75, didn't bet (folded)

pinaxx balance $29, bet $2, collected $5.75, net +$3.75

jlbreak balance $20.75, lost $1 (folded)
huckelberry balance $10, lost $1 (folded)
BristolBane balance $64.75, lost $0.25 (folded)
eMunch balance $30, lost $1 (folded)




Table Card Room Table 1375 (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10

Seat 1: Nealwp ( $36)
Seat 2: llednew1 ( $14.75)
Seat 3: jillpickle ( $28.50)
Seat 4: Cawns ( $38.25)
Seat 5: fkohutek ( $21.50)
Seat 6: pinaxx ( $7.50)
Seat 7: jlbreak ( $21.75)
Seat 8: jaces23 ( $18.75)
Seat 9: Benz91 ( $28.50)
Seat 10: dorisdvu ( $15.50)
Benz91 posts small blind (0.25)
dorisdvu posts big blind (0.50)

** Dealing down cards **

Dealt to jlbreak [ Kc, Ah ]

llednew1 calls (0.50)
jillpickle folds.
Cawns folds.
fkohutek calls (0.50)
pinaxx calls (0.50)
jlbreak calls (0.50)
jaces23 folds.
Benz91 calls (0.25)
dorisdvu checks.

** Dealing Flop ** : [ As, 7s, Js ]

Benz91 bets (0.50)
dorisdvu folds.
llednew1 calls (0.50)
fkohutek calls (0.50)
pinaxx calls (0.50)
jlbreak calls (0.50)

** Dealing Turn ** : [ 8s ]

Benz91 checks.
llednew1 bets (1)
fkohutek folds.
pinaxx calls (1)
jlbreak folds.
Benz91 folds.

** Dealing River ** : [ 6s ]

llednew1 bets (1)
pinaxx calls (1)
** Summary **

Main Pot: $9 | Rake: $0.50

Board: [ As 7s Js 8s 6s ]

Nealwp balance $36, sits out

llednew1 balance $20.75, bet $3, collected $9, net +$6 [ 5d Ks ] [ a flush, ace high with king kicker -- As,Ks,Js,8s,7s ]

jillpickle balance $28.50, didn't bet (folded)
Cawns balance $38.25, didn't bet (folded)
fkohutek balance $20.50, lost $1 (folded)

pinaxx balance $4.50, lost $3 [ Jh Ts ] [ a flush, ace high -- As,Js,Ts,8s,7s ]

jlbreak balance $20.75, lost $1 (folded)
jaces23 balance $18.75, didn't bet (folded)
Benz91 balance $27.50, lost $1 (folded)
dorisdvu balance $15, lost $0.50 (folded)



Table Card Room Table 1664 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10

Seat 1: jpm18490 ( $32.75)
Seat 2: No_Nuts ( $15.75)
Seat 3: superfreakie ( $8.50)
Seat 4: bcb1967 ( $2.75)
Seat 5: ddurandd ( $27)
Seat 6: jlbreak ( $21.25)
Seat 7: duhwhat ( $30)
Seat 8: jenshane ( $37.75)
Seat 9: HatePlow ( $23)
Seat 10: Marinegrunt ( $27)
jlbreak posts small blind (0.25)
duhwhat posts big blind (0.50)

** Dealing down cards **

Dealt to jlbreak [ Kd, Ah ]

jenshane calls (0.50)
HatePlow folds.
jpm18490 folds.
No_Nuts folds.
superfreakie folds.
bcb1967 calls (0.50)
ddurandd folds.
jlbreak calls (0.25)
duhwhat checks.

** Dealing Flop ** : [ Qc, 9s, 5c ]

jlbreak checks.
duhwhat checks.
jenshane checks.
bcb1967 checks.

** Dealing Turn ** : [ Ad ]

jlbreak bets (1)
duhwhat folds.
jenshane calls (1)
bcb1967 folds.

** Dealing River ** : [ 8h ]

jlbreak bets (1)
jenshane calls (1)

** Summary **
Main Pot: $5.50 | Rake: $0.50

Board: [ Qc 9s 5c Ad 8h ]

jpm18490 balance $32.75, didn't bet (folded)
No_Nuts balance $15.75, didn't bet (folded)
superfreakie balance $8.50, didn't bet (folded)
bcb1967 balance $2.25, lost $0.50 (folded)
ddurandd balance $27, didn't bet (folded)

jlbreak balance $24.25, bet $2.50, collected $5.50, net +$3 [ Kd Ah ] [ a pair of aces -- Ah,Ad,Kd,Qc,9s ]

duhwhat balance $29.50, lost $0.50 (folded)

jenshane balance $35.25, lost $2.50 [ 6s 5h ] [ a pair of fives -- Ad,Qc,9s,5h,5c ]

HatePlow balance $23, didn't bet (folded)
Marinegrunt balance $27, sits out



Table Card Room Table 1376 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 8

Seat 1: jlbreak ( $21.25)
Seat 2: sher0166 ( $25.75)
Seat 3: tonyk24 ( $12.50)
Seat 4: craigsonny ( $32.50)
Seat 6: KevinZ ( $17.50)
Seat 7: trizip ( $22)
Seat 8: gotovegas ( $17.50)
Seat 10: Dizzy15 ( $38.25)
KevinZ posts small blind (0.25)
trizip posts big blind (0.50)

** Dealing down cards **

Dealt to jlbreak [ Kc, Ad ]

gotovegas calls (0.50)
Dizzy15 folds.
jlbreak calls (0.50)
sher0166 folds.
tonyk24 calls (0.50)
craigsonny folds.
KevinZ raises (0.75) to 1
trizip folds.
gotovegas calls (0.50)
jlbreak raises (1) to 1.50
tonyk24 folds.
KevinZ calls (0.50)
gotovegas calls (0.50)

** Dealing Flop ** : [ Kh, 8d, 4s ]

KevinZ checks.
gotovegas checks.
jlbreak bets (0.50)
KevinZ calls (0.50)
gotovegas calls (0.50)

** Dealing Turn ** : [ 6d ]

KevinZ checks.
gotovegas checks.
jlbreak bets (1)
KevinZ raises (2) to 2
gotovegas calls (2)
jlbreak raises (2) to 3
KevinZ raises (2) to 4
gotovegas calls (2)
jlbreak calls (1)

** Dealing River ** : [ Jd ]

KevinZ bets (1)
gotovegas folds.
jlbreak calls (1)
** Summary **

Main Pot: $20 | Rake: $1

Board: [ Kh 8d 4s 6d Jd ]

jlbreak balance $14.25, lost $7 [ Kc Ad ] [ a pair of kings -- Ad,Kc,Kh,Jd,8d ]

sher0166 balance $25.75, didn't bet (folded)
tonyk24 balance $12, lost $0.50 (folded)
craigsonny balance $32.50, didn't bet (folded)

KevinZ balance $30.50, bet $7, collected $20, net +$13 [ 8c 8h ] [ three of a kind, eights -- Kh,Jd,8c,8h,8d ]

trizip balance $21.50, lost $0.50 (folded)
gotovegas balance $11.50, lost $6 (folded)
Dizzy15 balance $38.25, didn't bet (folded)



Table Card Room Table 2162 (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Cknevel ( $43.75)
Seat 2: Peapack ( $32.25)
Seat 3: pickleboo ( $31.50)
Seat 4: jlbreak ( $15.25)
Seat 5: SumoBoy ( $11)
Seat 6: zebra777 ( $8)
Seat 7: TitleMike ( $864)
Seat 8: Noob2222 ( $12.75)
Seat 9: MILLA ( $10)
Seat 10: KB3Baby ( $32)
jlbreak posts small blind (0.25)
SumoBoy posts big blind (0.50)

** Dealing down cards **

Dealt to jlbreak [ Kd, Ac ]

zebra777 calls (0.50)
Noob2222 calls (0.50)
MILLA calls (0.50)
KB3Baby calls (0.50)
Cknevel calls (0.50)
Peapack folds.
pickleboo calls (0.50)
jlbreak calls (0.25)
SumoBoy checks.

** Dealing Flop ** : [ Th, Ah, 7d ]

jlbreak bets (0.50)
SumoBoy calls (0.50)
zebra777 calls (0.50)
Noob2222 raises (1) to 1
MILLA folds.
KB3Baby folds.
Cknevel calls (1)
pickleboo folds.
jlbreak calls (0.50)
SumoBoy calls (0.50)
zebra777 calls (0.50)

** Dealing Turn ** : [ 6d ]

jlbreak checks.
SumoBoy checks.
zebra777 checks.
Noob2222 bets (1)
Cknevel raises (2) to 2
jlbreak calls (2)
SumoBoy folds.
zebra777 calls (2)
Noob2222 calls (1)

** Dealing River ** : [ 8d ]

jlbreak checks.
zebra777 checks.
Noob2222 checks.
Cknevel checks.
** Summary **

Main Pot: $16.50 | Rake: $0.50

Board: [ Th Ah 7d 6d 8d ]

Cknevel balance $40.25, lost $3.50 [ Kc Qh ] [ high card ace -- Ah,Kc,Qh,Th,8d ]

Peapack balance $32.25, didn't bet (folded)
pickleboo balance $31, lost $0.50 (folded)

jlbreak balance $11.75, lost $3.50 [ Kd Ac ] [ a pair of aces -- Ac,Ah,Kd,Th,8d ]

SumoBoy balance $9.50, lost $1.50 (folded)

zebra777 balance $4.50, lost $3.50 [ Qd Kh ] [ high card ace -- Ah,Kh,Qd,Th,8d ]

TitleMike balance $864, sits out

Noob2222 balance $25.75, bet $3.50, collected $16.50, net +$13 [ 7c Tc ] [ two pairs, tens and sevens -- Ah,Tc,Th,7c,7d ]

MILLA balance $9.50, lost $0.50 (folded)
KB3Baby balance $31.50, lost $0.50 (folded)


Table Card Room Table 1375 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: guyman ( $18.50)
Seat 2: flopalot ( $9)
Seat 3: SELTZ ( $2.75)
Seat 5: mayfair2 ( $26.25)
Seat 6: barry65 ( $36.50)
Seat 7: Vanstrug ( $29)
Seat 8: EddieMac17 ( $24.50)
Seat 9: PapaOti ( $37)
Seat 10: guyran ( $31)
barry65 posts small blind (0.25)
Vanstrug posts big blind (0.50)
jlbreak posts big blind (0.50)

** Dealing down cards **

Dealt to jlbreak [ As, Kd ]

EddieMac17 calls (0.50)
PapaOti calls (0.50)
guyran calls (0.50)
guyman folds.
flopalot calls (0.50)
SELTZ folds.
jlbreak checks.
mayfair2 calls (0.50)
barry65 calls (0.25)
Vanstrug checks.

** Dealing Flop ** : [ Jd, Qh, 3s ]

barry65 checks.
Vanstrug checks.
EddieMac17 checks.
PapaOti checks.
guyran checks.
flopalot bets (0.50)
jlbreak calls (0.50)
mayfair2 calls (0.50)
barry65 folds.
Vanstrug calls (0.50)
EddieMac17 folds.
PapaOti calls (0.50)
guyran folds.

** Dealing Turn ** : [ 9s ]

Vanstrug checks.
PapaOti checks.
flopalot bets (1)
jlbreak calls (1)
mayfair2 calls (1)
Vanstrug calls (1)
PapaOti folds.

** Dealing River ** : [ Kh ]

Vanstrug bets (1)
flopalot raises (2) to 2
jlbreak calls (2)
mayfair2 folds.
Vanstrug raises (2) to 3
flopalot calls (1)
jlbreak folds.

** Summary **
Main Pot: $18 | Rake: $0.50

Board: [ Jd Qh 3s 9s Kh ]

guyman balance $18.50, didn't bet (folded)

flopalot balance $4, lost $5 [ Qs Tc ] [ a straight, nine to king -- Kh,Qs,Jd,Tc,9s ]

SELTZ balance $2.75, didn't bet (folded)
jlbreak balance $21, lost $4 (folded)
mayfair2 balance $24.25, lost $2 (folded)
barry65 balance $36, lost $0.50 (folded)

Vanstrug balance $42, bet $5, collected $18, net +$13 [ Ad Th ] [ a straight, ten to ace -- Ad,Kh,Qh,Jd,Th ]

EddieMac17 balance $24, lost $0.50 (folded)
PapaOti balance $36, lost $1 (folded)
guyran balance $30.50, lost $0.50 (folded)



Table Card Room Table 1745 (Real Money) -- Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Rhamda ( $25.50)
Seat 2: Mezar5 ( $46.75)
Seat 3: Narrator ( $20.50)
Seat 4: HARTSQUEEN ( $54.50)
Seat 5: johnguhn ( $35.50)
Seat 6: jlbreak ( $24)
Seat 7: MJ101 ( $10)
Seat 8: cacalakekid ( $19)
Seat 9: rabman49 ( $29.25)
Seat 10: selim1213 ( $12)
Narrator posts small blind (0.25)
HARTSQUEEN posts big blind (0.50)
** Dealing down cards **

Dealt to jlbreak [ Kd, Ac ]

johnguhn raises (1) to 1
jlbreak calls (1)
MJ101 calls (1)
rabman49 folds.
selim1213 calls (1)
Rhamda folds.
Mezar5 folds.
Narrator folds.
HARTSQUEEN calls (0.50)

** Dealing Flop ** : [ Kh, Td, As ]

HARTSQUEEN checks.
johnguhn bets (0.50)
jlbreak calls (0.50)
MJ101 calls (0.50)
selim1213 calls (0.50)
HARTSQUEEN folds.

** Dealing Turn ** : [ Tc ]

johnguhn bets (1)
jlbreak calls (1)
MJ101 folds.
selim1213 calls (1)

** Dealing River ** : [ 7c ]

johnguhn bets (1)
jlbreak calls (1)
selim1213 calls (1)

** Summary **
Main Pot: $12.75 | Rake: $0.50

Board: [ Kh Td As Tc 7c ]

Rhamda balance $25.50, didn't bet (folded)
Mezar5 balance $46.75, didn't bet (folded)
Narrator balance $20.25, lost $0.25 (folded)
HARTSQUEEN balance $53.50, lost $1 (folded)

johnguhn balance $32, lost $3.50 [ Ks Qs ] [ two pairs, kings and tens -- As,Ks,Kh,Td,Tc ]

jlbreak balance $33.25, bet $3.50, collected $12.75, net +$9.25 [ Kd Ac ] [ two pairs, aces and kings -- Ac,As,Kd,Kh,Td ]

MJ101 balance $8.50, lost $1.50 (folded)
cacalakekid balance $19, sits out
rabman49 balance $29.25, didn't bet (folded)

selim1213 balance $8.50, lost $3.50 [ Ah 6h ] [ two pairs, aces and tens -- Ah,As,Kh,Td,Tc ]


Table Card Room Table 2009 (Real Money) -- Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: yota61275 ( $12.75)
Seat 2: warehouse41 ( $22)
Seat 3: md2791 ( $16.50)
Seat 4: travis1016 ( $4)
Seat 5: blazinJ ( $13)
Seat 6: AndrewGMoney ( $18.75)
Seat 7: rerun ( $23.75)
Seat 8: jlbreak ( $21.25)
Seat 9: pooper888 ( $37.25)
Seat 10: Pokerkid86 ( $50.25)
md2791 posts small blind (0.25)
travis1016 posts big blind (0.50)

** Dealing down cards **

Dealt to jlbreak [ Kh, Ac ]

blazinJ calls (0.50)
AndrewGMoney folds.
jlbreak calls (0.50)
pooper888 folds.
Pokerkid86 calls (0.50)
yota61275 calls (0.50)
warehouse41 folds.
md2791 calls (0.25)
travis1016 checks.

** Dealing Flop ** : [ 6s, 4h, As ]

md2791 checks.
travis1016 checks.
blazinJ checks.
jlbreak bets (0.50)
Pokerkid86 calls (0.50)
yota61275 folds.
md2791 calls (0.50)
travis1016 folds.
blazinJ calls (0.50)

** Dealing Turn ** : [ 7c ]

md2791 checks.
blazinJ bets (1)
jlbreak calls (1)
Pokerkid86 folds.
md2791 folds.

** Dealing River ** : [ Th ]

blazinJ checks.
jlbreak checks.

** Summary **
Main Pot: $6.50 | Rake: $0.50

Board: [ 6s 4h As 7c Th ]

yota61275 balance $12.25, lost $0.50 (folded)
warehouse41 balance $22, didn't bet (folded)
md2791 balance $15.50, lost $1 (folded)
travis1016 balance $3.50, lost $0.50 (folded)

blazinJ balance $11, lost $2 [ Ad 8c ] [ a pair of aces -- Ad,As,Th,8c,7c ]

AndrewGMoney balance $18.75, didn't bet (folded)
rerun balance $23.75, sits out

jlbreak balance $25.75, bet $2, collected $6.50, net +$4.50 [ Kh Ac ] [ a pair of aces with king kicker -- Ac,As,Kh,Th,7cKh(kicker card) ]

pooper888 balance $37.25, didn't bet (folded)
Pokerkid86 balance $49.25, lost $1 (folded)


Table Card Room Table 2009 (Real Money) -- Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: yota61275 ( $5.50)
Seat 2: warehouse41 ( $22)
Seat 3: md2791 ( $27)
Seat 4: vchima ( $20)
Seat 5: blazinJ ( $17.75)
Seat 6: AndrewGMoney ( $2.25)
Seat 7: rerun ( $25.50)
Seat 8: jlbreak ( $24)
Seat 9: pooper888 ( $37)
Seat 10: eskimo ( $19.25)
md2791 posts small blind (0.25)
vchima posts big blind (0.50)

** Dealing down cards **

Dealt to jlbreak [ Kd, Ac ]

blazinJ calls (0.50)
AndrewGMoney folds.
rerun folds.
jlbreak calls (0.50)
pooper888 folds.
eskimo calls (0.50)
yota61275 calls (0.50)
warehouse41 folds.
md2791 calls (0.25)
vchima checks.

** Dealing Flop ** : [ Ad, Kh, 5h ]

md2791 checks.
vchima checks.
blazinJ folds.
jlbreak bets (0.50)
eskimo calls (0.50)
yota61275 calls (0.50)
md2791 calls (0.50)
vchima calls (0.50)

** Dealing Turn ** : [ 5d ]

md2791 checks.
vchima bets (1)
jlbreak calls (1)
eskimo calls (1)
yota61275 folds.
md2791 folds.

** Dealing River ** : [ 9d ]

vchima bets (1)
jlbreak calls (1)
eskimo calls (1)

** Summary **
Main Pot: $11 | Rake: $0.50

Board: [ Ad Kh 5h 5d 9d ]

yota61275 balance $4.50, lost $1 (folded)
warehouse41 balance $22, didn't bet (folded)
md2791 balance $26, lost $1 (folded)

vchima balance $28, bet $3, collected $11, net +$8 [ Jc 5s ] [ three of a kind, fives -- Ad,Kh,5s,5h,5d ]

blazinJ balance $17.25, lost $0.50 (folded)
AndrewGMoney balance $2.25, didn't bet (folded)
rerun balance $25.50, didn't bet (folded)

jlbreak balance $21, lost $3 [ Kd Ac ] [ two pairs, aces and kings -- Ac,Ad,Kd,Kh,9d ]

pooper888 balance $37, didn't bet (folded)

eskimo balance $16.25, lost $3 [ Ks Jh ] [ two pairs, kings and fives -- Ad,Ks,Kh,5h,5d ]



Table Card Room Table 1683 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: jlbreak ( $30.50)
Seat 2: terricola ( $35.50)
Seat 3: omergibson ( $24.50)
Seat 4: Nicocap ( $13.25)
Seat 5: DGJJR ( $20)
Seat 6: mcforward ( $30.50)
Seat 7: Mir_mcfly ( $40)
Seat 9: POPPIE1955 ( $30)
Seat 10: MuppetKiller ( $20)
mcforward posts small blind (0.25)
Mir_mcfly posts big blind (0.50)

** Dealing down cards **

Dealt to jlbreak [ Ks, Ad ]

POPPIE1955 folds.
MuppetKiller raises (1) to 1
jlbreak raises (1.50) to 1.50
terricola calls (1.50)
omergibson folds.
Nicocap calls (1.50)
DGJJR folds.
mcforward folds.
Mir_mcfly folds.
MuppetKiller calls (0.50)

** Dealing Flop ** : [ As, Kh, 8h ]

MuppetKiller checks.
jlbreak checks.
terricola bets (0.50)
Nicocap calls (0.50)
MuppetKiller calls (0.50)
jlbreak calls (0.50)

** Dealing Turn ** : [ 2h ]

MuppetKiller checks.
jlbreak bets (1)
terricola calls (1)
Nicocap folds.
MuppetKiller calls (1)

** Dealing River ** : [ Qh ]

MuppetKiller checks.
jlbreak bets (1)
terricola calls (1)
MuppetKiller calls (1)

** Summary **
Main Pot: $14.25 | Rake: $0.50

Board: [ As Kh 8h 2h Qh ]

jlbreak balance $26.50, lost $4 [ Ks Ad ] [ two pairs, aces and kings -- Ad,As,Ks,Kh,Qh ]

terricola balance $45.75, bet $4, collected $14.25, net +$10.25 [ 8c 8s ] [ three of a kind, eights -- As,Kh,8c,8s,8h ]

omergibson balance $24.50, didn't bet (folded)
Nicocap balance $11.25, lost $2 (folded)
DGJJR balance $20, didn't bet (folded)
mcforward balance $30.25, lost $0.25 (folded)
Mir_mcfly balance $39.50, lost $0.50 (folded)
POPPIE1955 balance $30, didn't bet (folded)

MuppetKiller balance $16, lost $4 [ Js Ac ] [ a pair of aces -- Ac,As,Kh,Qh,Js ]




POPPIE1955 has left the table.

[Stu Pidasso]

Don't post your hand histories that way. They are a real hemmeroid to read.

That being said. Here is my advice to you that will allow you to tremendously increase your earnings with AK.

RAISE DAMMIT

Stu

[jlbreak]

Thanks, I was wondering how many hands it took to be a useable indicator. I still feel like a fish due to the fact that I only see about 20% of the other players as bigger fish than me, and I'm probably being over optomistic with that number compared to reality.
I am very happy and appreciative with the advice I've been given so far, and will definitely work hard on "fold or raise" situations and try to get off the "check and call" nipple, lol.

Thanks again to all.

[jlbreak]

I reposted them, let me know how to improve further on editing them. I certainly want to make them as readable as possible, since you are generous enough to look at them for me. Also, show me one or two specific places where my raise should have been obvious to me.

[Tosh]

Man about 15 hands and barely a raise there.

Raise when you get dealt AK.

Raise and raise again when the flop comes with an ace or king on an otherwise unscary board.

The sample of these hands is very indicative of a calling station, you don't want to be a calling station!

[brian0729]

I have a couple of things for ya. Stop reading HPFAP much of these strageties are for higher level games. The book says that in the first few pages. I was playing well for awhile then started to read HPFAP and my bankroll went straight to hell. Keep it as something to look forward to. Tighten up big time. I think your flop #'s are fine, but if the cards are bad wait for the big hands. Group 1 and 2 hands and then punish the limpers. Homer put a great post up month or so ago about beating the microlimits. He might post it for you or give you a link(I dont know if I ever thanked you Homer, your advice has made me some serious cash. I dont care what Larry Joe says /images/graemlins/grin.gif) I will stop rambling now. I lied, post your hands you will get a lot of help.

I found it. This is Homers post all the credit belongs to him

These games are extremely profitable. Here's how you beat them:

1) Play hands that have the potential to flop big.

-- Play big suited cards, all pairs, and Axs.

2) Be careful with big unsuited cards (e.g. - KJo, ATo, QJo, etc).

-- Often, you will get to the river with top-pair only to be beaten by a raggedy two-pair. These hands prefer to be played shorthanded, which isn't going to happen in a loose-passive game.

3) Value bet (With big hands and big draws)

-- When you flop the best hand, bet like there's no tomorrow. Do not slowplay, you will be called (in multiple places).

-- When you flop a big draw, take advantage of the number of players in the pot and pump the hell out of them. You'll make oodles of money from pumping nut-flush draws and straight draws (hell, sometimes you'll even have opportunities to do things like pumping a set on a monotone flop)

4) Chase?

-- When you don't flop the best hand, use pot odds and implied odds to determine whether you should continue with the hand. If you do, continue. If you don't, fold. Resist the urge to chase. There's nothing fancy about this but it gets the job done.

5) Do not bluff.

-- They won't fold. This is why you should value bet at every opportunity.

-- Homer

--------------------
New York is a hellhole. And you know how I feel about hellholes.

[Tosh]

Ok 1 example that is very weak.

[ QUOTE ]
** Dealing down cards **

Dealt to jlbreak [ Kh, Ac ]

blazinJ calls (0.50)
AndrewGMoney folds.
jlbreak calls (0.50)
pooper888 folds.
Pokerkid86 calls (0.50)
yota61275 calls (0.50)
warehouse41 folds.
md2791 calls (0.25)
travis1016 checks.

** Dealing Flop ** : [ 6s, 4h, As ]

md2791 checks.
travis1016 checks.
blazinJ checks.
jlbreak bets (0.50)
Pokerkid86 calls (0.50)
yota61275 folds.
md2791 calls (0.50)
travis1016 folds.
blazinJ calls (0.50)

** Dealing Turn ** : [ 7c ]

md2791 checks.
blazinJ bets (1)
jlbreak calls (1)
Pokerkid86 folds.
md2791 folds.

** Dealing River ** : [ Th ]

blazinJ checks.
jlbreak checks.

[/ QUOTE ]

Ok raise this pre flop as you should be doing nearly everytime you get AK.

You got a good flop, bet or check raise.

Now the turn I don't like. He bets and suddenly you get scared ? Raise him.

He checks to you on the river, and you give him a free showdown with what is obviously the best hand. Bet.

[jlbreak]

Thanks, I use HPFAP for basic things like position and starting hands. I haven't been worrying about anything fancy for the reasons you and the book itself stated.

[Stu Pidasso]

Your repost of the hand histories sucks almost as bad as the original posting of them. Look at how some of the others who have been here a while post their hands. For example, Vehn or HomerSimpson do a pretty good job. Use this sites search function and look at some of thier hand postings.

[ QUOTE ]
Also, show me one or two specific places where my raise should have been obvious to me.


[/ QUOTE ]

Its an obivious raise preflop. Everytime

Stu

[Gomez22]

I've only been playing for about a month, and after some pointers from the guys on this forum and reading and rereading and rerereading etc. HPFPA, I can say that I'm averaging about 7BB/hour and am up $120 the past 4 days playing .50/1 at Empire. Whenever you get AA, KK, QQ, AKs, AK, AQs, AQ, JJ, 1010................................

RAISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Raise preflop, and if in early position, bet out, no matter what the flop is (unles it hits you hard, you may want to check/call, and wait for the turn and try a check raise). In your first hand, you folded on the turn after 2 10's hit the board. If you woulda bet out on the flop (after raising pre-flop), chances are, if someone was holding a 10, they woulda folded. YOU HAVE TO PLAY GOOD CARDS AGGRESIVELY!!!!!
If a bet is good enough to call, raise. If it's marginal, check/fold, or check/call. You're giving too many cards away to your opponents for free... NEVER DO THAT. Make them pay for cards when you have good hands. The object of Hold Em is to get as much money in the pot as you can when you have good hands, and to get out when you don't. Many players at low limits will call everything... don't let this scare you. Likely, they have no idea what they're doing (especially at .50/1 games). As it states in HPFPA, pump it or dump it, and you should definately be putting all the bets you can in the pot with the hands I mentioned above, just beware of overcards on the flop, turn and river (Except for AA and AK, or AKs, for that matter). You're playing a very weak game right now, and that won't do anything for your bankroll.
Try this over the next 500-1000 hands you play and let me know how it turns out.

[CMangano]

I really suggest you go out and read Winning Low Limit Hold'em. Order it online if you have to. He teaches a tight style, but he also teaches you to be very aggressive with hands like these. When you gain more experience, then you can read HPFAP. I didn't read every single hand you posted, but I read enough to know that you are making way less money than you should be with this hand.

[CMangano]

I would post them in a new thread, as they aren't likely to get seen by as many people in this thread. Make a thread called "How Am I Playing AK?" or something like that. I don't think you need to post all of them, maybe just 5. There are a lot of recurring things you are doing incorrectly, so I am sure 5 will cover it.

Read hand postings that others have done to get an idea how they are usually formatted for easy reading. You're going to get tons of good advice and if you follow it, you will see drastic changes in your results. So take the time to make the post easy to read, it will be worth it.

Oh ya, one last thing, try not to put the results in the post as this will allow people to disect your play better.

[NRS]

[ QUOTE ]
This may be true, but I think very few people can play 30% of the hands for +EV. I don't think 13-15% is too low (this is outside the blinds), especially when you are just starting.

[/ QUOTE ]

I know that people will think that I'm insane for suggesting this, but I think that seeing only 13-15% of flops teaches you poor habits, e.g. playing too passively, as our hero in this case seems to have played.

[CMangano]

Playing tight and playing passive are not the same thing. I can fold 85% of the hands pf and still be a very aggressive player. Playing more hands does not mean you are more aggressive, it means you are more loose. Raising more often does not mean you are more loose, it means you are more aggressive.

In all the hands he posted, he did not raise once with AK before the flop (at least the 6 that I read). I don't see how playing more hands before the flop will teach him to raise with AK. Playing more hands will put him in situations were he has to make a lot of tough decisions, and when you are very new to the game, that usually isn't a good thing.

[Tosh]

[ QUOTE ]
I know that people will think that I'm insane for suggesting this, but I think that seeing only 13-15% of flops teaches you poor habits, e.g. playing too passively, as our hero in this case seems to have played.


[/ QUOTE ]

I don't quite know what you're getting at but it doesn't sound very accurate. How many flops you see has absolutely no bearing on how tight or aggressive you are.

Our hero in this case obviously has an understanding of playing tight pre flop but hasn't yet developed an aggressive game like he will with time. The fact that he isn't seeing the typical 100% of flops that many misguided new players do is a good start.

[jlbreak]

As can be expected, early results are very poor at my attempt to be more aggressive.

I've only played about 100 hands and have gotten AK, AKs, and KK once each.

AK got beat on river by A6 catching second pair.

AKs got beat on river by JT making full house to beat my flopped straight.

KK got beat by QJ going 4 bets on flop and making straight on turn.


This seems to be a common thing in these games. It is what made me want to see flops cheaply in the first place. There are so many ppl going loose all the time that with 10 ppl to a table it seems like there is a good chance for one of them to hit something on a regular basis.

I do believe that that type of play will be their downfall as the numbers catch up with them, but I'm not sure how well good play can overcome so much loose play. I feel the only choices are to be too tight and lose my money slower than the wild ones, or lose it fast by trying to be aggressive.

I know I haven't given my foray into increased aggression enough time yet, and I don't think going back on defense is the answer either. I think the advice I've been given on here has been excellent, and did lead to one small success, as I think the increased aggressive play let me win a small pot on a missed flush draw in which I think a better hand folded because I bet it instead of checking it. I'm sure it was a hand I never would have won without betting.

[Tosh]

[ QUOTE ]
I do believe that that type of play will be their downfall as the numbers catch up with them, but I'm not sure how well good play can overcome so much loose play.

[/ QUOTE ]

You're kidding right ? You're playing KK, AK and AKs and they're playing random rubbish. So what if they take the odd pot off you, remember you don't need to win all these hands to make a big profit from them.

[ QUOTE ]
I feel the only choices are to be too tight and lose my money slower than the wild ones, or lose it fast by trying to be aggressive.

[/ QUOTE ]

You play tight by throwing away hands that your opponents routinely play. You discipline yourself to chuck decent hands out of position. Then when you get a premium hand you play it aggressively.



You really need to post some example hands. Look at other posts for how to write them in a readable format. That way you can where you should be aggressive and where you shouldn't.

[jlbreak]

I'll try to get the three hands posted as soon as I can.
What I'm concerned with is that if several ppl go in with rubbish someone is going to hit something hard very often, as they are covering so many possibilities as a group. Individually, they will all crash and burn. But as a group it seems to turn into no foldem holdem where AA wins far less than it would against skilled players. And I'm not saying that capping pre flop with QJ utg is a bad play with 3 other ppl in the pot. It probably gives some pretty good implied odds(not sure if thats right, I've still got some work to do to become proficient at that aspect).

I do believe the advice I've recieved has helped my play. I think it has helped me understand plays others make a little better, an unexpected improvement. The three hands that got popped were just three hands that didn't pan out, and my play was poor on the end of two of them mainly as a kind of paying for research thing to try and learn from the hand histories how to temper the aggression with gaining a feel for when to drop a decent hand. I think I'm seeing more of the picture, but definitely not a big part of it yet.

[brian0729]

[ QUOTE ]
What I'm concerned with is that if several ppl go in with rubbish someone is going to hit something hard very often, as they are covering so many possibilities as a group.

[/ QUOTE ]

This is exactly what you want. When you have the big hands you want these people in. Remember the flop can hit you hard as well and they will pay you off. Plus the better the starting hand the less it has to improve to hold up.

If it is three bets to you and 7 people are in the pot, cap the betting and do it with a smile when you have AA you have the best possible hand, make everybody else pay for trying to catch up to you.

[Tosh]

Don't get into this situation where you think you're better off playing against good players. It is true you'll win more hands againsts good players with AA, but you will not win anywhere near as much in the pots you do win.

Not playing aggressively enough when you have a good but not great hand will cost you a lot of money. Anyone can play a monster hand reasonably well and anyone can fold a pile of garbage. You will make/lose a lot of money on how you play hands like top pair.

I'm not quite sure what you were saying with regard to QJ UTG but you should be folding in that position unless its suited.

Trust me, I know from experience if you are prepared to work hard at your game you will improve. I certainly feel that this forum has helped my game.

[jlbreak]

I couldn't find the AKs hand, I think I might have confused it with the last of these three.

One EP, one MP limp

I raise with A /images/graemlins/club.gifK /images/graemlins/heart.gif, on the button.

BB calls raise as do limpers.

Flop 5 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A /images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif

checked to me, I bet, all call.

3 /images/graemlins/club.gif

checked to me, I bet, all call.

6 /images/graemlins/spade.gif

checked to me, I bet, all call.

BB loses with pocket kings

EP loses with aces and weak kicker

MP wins with aces and sixes

I lose with aces and king kicker




2 EP limp in, button raises,

I reraise with K /images/graemlins/spade.gif,K /images/graemlins/diamond.gif from SB,

BB and limpers call, button goes all in (last.25), all call.

flop 9 /images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8 /images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif

I bet, all call

T /images/graemlins/club.gif,

I bet, BB raises, EP1 calls EP2 raises (all in with last $1),

I call (feeling in very bad shape, but everyone is loose
and all ins look like desperation plays)

BB caps (I feel straight is main fear, but not much since
preflop was 4 bets, I think pot odds keep me in now)

4 /images/graemlins/heart.gif

I check, BB bets EP1 folds, I call, again, thinking pot odds and loose players.


EP2 lost with a pair of 4s, [A /images/graemlins/heart.gif,7 /images/graemlins/heart.gif]

Button lost with Qs and 4s, [Q /images/graemlins/diamond.gif,Q /images/graemlins/spade.gif]

I lost with Ks and 4s,

BB wins with straight to Q, [Q /images/graemlins/heart.gif,J /images/graemlins/club.gif]




1 EP limper, all MPs and LPs call including me in SB

I call with 2 /images/graemlins/spade.gif,6 /images/graemlins/spade.gif and BB checks

flop 7 /images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9 /images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8 /images/graemlins/heart.gif

I bet, BB calls, EP folds, one MP calls, button raises(he's also been playing kind of wild)

I call, as does BB and MP.

A /images/graemlins/spade.gif

I bet, BB and MP fold, button raises, I call

9 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif

I bet, BB raises, I feel I'm hooked(fish pun intended) by pot odds, and call

BB has [9 /images/graemlins/club.gif,8 /images/graemlins/spade.gif] for full house over my flushed.

[jasonHoldEm]

EDIT: Good job reformating your hand histories...we posted simultaneously so just disregard my example as it seems you found something already. Peace.

Hi Improving,

I just got time to read this thread, it sounds like you're off to a good start. Before I go anywhere, let me say this...don't ever let ego get in the way of learning. It doesn't look like you are, and that's great because it's something I suffered with when I first got started.

Anyways, don't let how people give advice effect how you take it. Often the people here will be *blunt* when reviewing your hands, but if you can get past that you'll find they are saying it in a way to make you realize just how poor your decisions are...in they end they are trying to say it in such a way that will grab you like a rag doll and shake you until you're blue in the face shouting "THIS IS HOW YOU SHOULD PLAY THE HAND UNLESS YOU WANT TO LOSE MONEY!!" Sometimes it takes a little time to realize they're on your side, and I hate to see newcomers get offended and disappear because of it.

---

About the formatting for your hand histories...the generally accepted format would be something like this (I'm just making this up).

The title of your post should (IMHO) at least describe the hand somehow...I usually post what I had and my position and then the key decision I had difficulty with during hte hand...for example this (made up) hand could be called...

AKs on the button, does he have a set??

In the body of your message...

.5/1 Party (Give the stakes and the location where the hand was played)

I have A /images/graemlins/spade.gif K /images/graemlins/spade.gif on the button (Give your position, and what your holding is...if suits don't matter, you can just say so rather than wasting time putting the suits in).

Preflop: (Give a description of the preflop action...be sure to mention where the call/raises/etc are coming from) MP limps, MP limps, CO raises, I three bet, blinds fold, MP folds, MP calls, CO caps, all call.

(Were you able to follow that...we have three people: MP, CO, and me on the button, seeing the flop for four bets each, there is also 2.5 SB of dead money in the pot from the blinds and the MP limper who folded)

FLOP: 6 /images/graemlins/club.gif, A /images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif (list the cards that come on the flop then give a description of the action)

MP checks, CO bets, I raise, MP folds, CO calls.

TURN: K /images/graemlins/club.gif (same thing, list the turn card and the action)

CO checks, I bet, CO raises, I three bet, he caps, I call.

(you can also list your thoughts)...Crap, am I looking at a set?

River: 4 /images/graemlins/heart.gif (once again list the card that falls and the action)

CO bets, I call.

(Some people then list the results here or reply to the post and list the results seperately...I think it's generally prefered to list them seperately, but it's not a HUGE deal one way or the other).

He's got KK, my aces up are no good. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

Also I think it's generally preferred for you to only list one hand per thread, unless you're doing a themed post (like some AK hands)...and then I would recommend you keep it to 5-10 hands.

Others can comment on my ideas as well...I'm just making generalizations based on what I've observed.

---

As for your questions concerning how you're doing...I think you're doing well, considering how long you've been playing. It seems like you're seeing the correct % of flops (and choosing the right starting hands is one of the most difficult things for a beginner so congratualtions).

Of course, as the others have mentioned you seem to be suffering from not being aggressive enough...this is difficult because right now you are being "results oriented" You play a hand like AA or AK and get crushed by some moron with J4o...and this happens again and again until it seems like your premium hands have no chance of winning...so you start to play them passively, you want to be able to drop them at the first sight of trouble because they've fared so poorly in the past...we all go through this as beginners and eventually you'll realize that this simply is not true (usually when you get to the 10k hand mark and look back at your hands in poker tracker and realize how much you've won with them).

You're going to win more $$$ with those hands than you're going to lose so you need to play them correctly to maximize your profits. So when you have those big hands you really just got to grit your teeth and start jamming it...if the board gets ugly usually you can tell if you're in trouble and start to adjust accordingly, but failing to jam it when you're in the lead is a very costly mistake because you'll be winning so much less when you do drag the pot.

Also, don't be worried about being up $XXX after XXX hands and then only being up $YYY after YYY hands, as the others have said it's all one big session and the only thing that matters is that you're playing well all the time. I'll give you an example...two nights ago I played and won $97, then last night I played and had a horrible session...at one point I was down over $200, and when I called it a night I was still down $46...the point is, I'm still up $51 for the week, and while I'm slightly below my hourly win rate, I know that I've been playing well this week, so the fact I'm below my "normal" win rate doesn't bother me (at least not that much)...I know that if I keep playing well things will balance out, if it doesn't happen this week, it will happen next week, etc.

John Feeney has written an excellent essay on this in his book Inside the Poker Mind (I believe the essay is entitled the Professional Attitude). This is a great book for understanding the (often overlooked) mental side of the game.

All in all, I think you're doing very well...don't get discouraged and don't loose your discipline. 2+2 is an excellent resource, and if you stick around and put your time in you'll be beating the game consistently in very short order.

Good luck,
jHE

[jlbreak]

Thanks for the advice and encouragement. Again, I'm amazed and very apreciative of how much help everyone is giving each other in this forum. I feel it helps me play better every day. As far as ego goes, I expect to get blunt but sound advice and don't mind that at all.

Actually, I think if I had a problem with ego, it would be easier for me to be more aggressive to begin with, lol.

[jasonHoldEm]

Just my opinions...I'm sorta new at reviewing hands, I usually post them. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Hand one...played correctly, bad luck.

Hand two...tough decision when it's two cold back to me on the turn with a three straight on the board. I don't have a lot of expereince in these situations (with a player being all-in), and I'm not sure how that would effect how I played here. I will have to defer this to the more expereinced players, but I suspect the fact that two of your opponents are all-in now is cutting down your implied odds and it's starting to look ugly with that three straight...maybe dump it here? (I'm asking not telling, because I don't honestly know myself).

Hand three - another tough decision...with that many callers it's probably correct to play any two suited, so I think completeing was ok. On the flop I would check and call (maybe check/raise if the bet came from LP?), you have two draws, but neither of them are to the nuts, I don't think this is a betting hand. When I made my flush on the turn I would bet out, when he raised me I would three-bet to see if he caps it. When the river paired the board I would check/call (depending on if he capped it on the turn).

Interested to see what the others have to say as I'm pretty new at giving advice.

jHE

[Joe Tall]

I know how I missed this one...the original is tough to read, where did this kid go anyway. Oh, and while I'm thinking about it, where's Tosh?

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I ever thanked you Homer, your advice has made me some serious cash. I dont care what Larry Joe says /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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Brian,

How do you think I got to where I am? I bust on Homer all the time, yes, but don't foget I've met him in Real Life a couple of times. JTG, Homer, and many others (list is long) raised from a pup, and frankly I'm still learning from the both of them!

-LJ

[brian0729]

I have only been here a few months and I completely agree. The people that have given me great advice is as long as my arm and I thank everyone. I look forward to learning into the future. I put that in there because I had just read a post in which you were giving Homer a hard time. I wanted to give Homer his props for the great post, I read shortly after I started to play. I was in no way insulting you LJ, just want that to be clear.

Good question: Where is Tosh?

[Joe Tall]

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I was in no way insulting you LJ, just want that to be clear.


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Insult me? Did you read my little story about spilling coffee on the waitress and then after she got me another coffee, I spilt it on myself?

Can't happen. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Coolio,
LJ

[brian0729]

Good to hear. After the hand last night and you replying to that post this morning, I thought might be getting exiled..lol. Glad you know I was just joking

[Gainsay]

Hi,
I've probably only played about as many hours online as you have, so I'm not exactly a fountain of wisdom. Out of these 3 hands, the only one I would have played differently is the last one, 2 /images/graemlins/spade.gif 6 /images/graemlins/spade.gif from the SB. In general, I don't even think this hand is worth playing, but there are enough callers that I guess it's marginal. Once you call, I don't think betting the flop is a very good idea. You're still probably an underdog to many of the hands at the table, and you're out of position. I also wouldn't have bet on the river. I'd check, and then call expecting to be beaten by a better flush. I would definitely call though because of the chance the button has only a straight or two pair.

One thing you might try to improve is to play some different types of games. I'd say to try some $5 NL Sit-n-Gos. To me those were a decent and cheap way to get a better appreciation for the importance of playing aggressive. I started out about a month ago with $20 from a friend playing micro-limits. As my bank roll built up, I switched around from fixed limits, to PL and NL, to Sit-N-Gos (both heads-up and 9-man), then back to larger fixed limit games. The past couple days I've been playing 6-man $2/$4 fixed, and I've built my bankroll from $20 to $430 over this time.

One final thing, if you aren't seeing some of the mistakes you make in hands right after you make them, you're probably worse off than you think. There are still several hands each session where I can see I'm making obvious mistakes either by missing bets or overplaying my hand. Right now I think the 3 biggest holes in my game are playing too many hands out of the small blinds, trying to bluff too frequently, and deciding whether or not to bet on the river. These are all things I can usually recognize right after they happen because I know to be watching for them.