card predictor system - scam or something to be worried about?

[shagjohn]

A piece of spam I received today:
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The PPS Tracker is used specifically to view upcoming cards at online poker tables. The software works by statistically cracking the random seed from the poker room's RNG (Random Number Generator) code.

PPS Tracker will allow you to see upcoming cards at your poker table. Imagine knowing if your hole cards were going to flop huge before the flop. Now Imagine winning more pots and cashing in at the right times.

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Thought it might be inappropriate to post the link to the website. Normally I'd just disregard this as more meaningless SPAM, but I did see a documentary on the Discovery channel about an inside guy being able to crack the random number generator of a BINGO system in a casino, and then used it. He got caught of course, hence the show.

My BS detector definitely flagged this (if someone really cracked the random number generator, why the hell would they publish it?), but knowing it may be remotely possible, I was wondering what you all thought? I don't know anything about the poker sites and what their random number gen inputs are, but I'd have hoped they'd make this virtually impossible?

(However, it does solve that nagging feeling getting bad-beat to death where I was down 50+BB w/ AA at 2/4 at one point) /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[hope this is the right place for this]

[highlife]

100% scam

[PokerPaul]

scam....i assume.

IF anyone could produce a product which could indeed crack one of the poker rooms RNG and predict cards, why on earth would they sell it for a couple of bucks and be exposed.

Wouldnt u instead just use it and win all those 200k plus 1st place tournaments they have now, and keep it a secret ???

I agree it's probably a scam. Worse, a means of planting something nasty on someone's system that would allow someone else to know something about your play and/or playing habits. Maybe?

btw, having been seriously hacked and been the victim of a couple of people I'd love to one day catch, I tend to be a little paranoid.

[SheetWise]

Almost all RNGs in use today use external inputs -- many (like MS system, which can be predicted) are algorithms that are seeded. Some use temperature (out to 12-14 digits), some measure electrons. You can be fairly certain that the output is random -- but that only means that it can't be predicted. The real question is when and where is the data generated, and how is it handled.

It sounds like a scam to me too, I just can't prove it. If you would simply transfer $20 into my Netteller or PayPal account you could help fund the much needed reseach in this matter. Please be sure to include your SSN, bank account and PIN number to verify you identity and age.....

[mostsmooth]

it was keeno, not bingo, no?
and the guy only got caught becaiuse his partner gave them two different names or something

[NotInchoateHand1]

"I agree it's probably a scam. Worse, a means of planting something nasty on someone's system that would allow someone else to know something about your play and/or playing habits. Maybe?"

Yeah, "probably" a scam. You reveal your wisdom once more.

[BassMasterK]

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it was keeno, not bingo, no?
and the guy only got caught becaiuse his partner gave them two different names or something

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Ya, I saw a show about two guys playing the keno rng...something about having the last numbers of the day they were able to figure out the first one the next morning or something like that. It was an older system and not a very good rng apparently.

Dude is right, if it was true, they would be making the money themselves from the program and not selling it.

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Yeah, "probably" a scam. You reveal your wisdom once more.

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And your point is what, nit?

[Daliman]

If YOU could predict people's cards online, would YOU be seeling it to anonymous people for $40 or so?

[dlk9s]

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100% scam

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[muckdumper]

and online says if safe and fair while you get a duece 8 times in a row!!!

[CORed]

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I agree it's probably a scam. Worse, a means of planting something nasty on someone's system that would allow someone else to know something about your play and/or playing habits. Maybe?

btw, having been seriously hacked and been the victim of a couple of people I'd love to one day catch, I tend to be a little paranoid.

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You're not paranoid. they really are out to get you.

[shagjohn]

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it was keeno, not bingo, no?
and the guy only got caught becaiuse his partner gave them two different names or something

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Yeah I guess keeno, some kind of picking numbers game.
Yep, got busted 'cause he gave them his American ID at the hotel I think and his Carribean ID when he tried to cash out, and they had diff names. It's funny how criminals can be so smart and yet so stupid...

[shagjohn]

Nut4Dogs may have it right, but they are charging $100 to get the software. I guess maybe they're safe from getting busted b/c they say they use "statistical methods" to figure out how the internals work, which can mean just about anything they please. The site claims Party's RNG is based on local/internal info, not external.

My main concern was if Party somehow used a crappy RNG, but they're certified and all that, and with so much money at stake they have a big motivation to use the best RNG money can buy. If they're using externally derived pseudo-random seeds, that sets my mind at ease.

[Cancuk]

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and online says if safe and fair while you get a duece 8 times in a row!!!

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Excellent post