Should i push this river?

[fluorescenthippo]

I think I found a leak of mine. I usually bet half the pot or less here but should i be pushing this river?


Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 2: BuffaloBoull ( $770 )
Seat 3: Newbeedoo ( $770 )
Seat 4: wokethebears ( $850 )
Seat 5: Grinder22 ( $785 )
Seat 6: theking191 ( $855 )
Seat 7: ninjazx12 ( $785 )
Seat 8: clockw ( $570 )
Seat 9: Rollinx420 ( $1815 )
Seat 10: babydoll42 ( $800 )
Trny:17910523 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to wokethebears [ 8c 8s ]
ninjazx12 calls [15].
>You have options at Table 66893 Table!.
clockw folds.
Rollinx420 folds.
>You have options at Table 66961 Table!.
babydoll42 calls [15].
BuffaloBoull folds.
Newbeedoo folds.
wokethebears calls [15].
Grinder22 calls [5].
theking191 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qs, 8d, Qc ]
Grinder22 checks.
theking191 checks.
ninjazx12 bets [15].
babydoll42 calls [15].
>You have options at Table 66961 Table!.
wokethebears raises [70].
Grinder22 calls [70].
theking191 folds.
ninjazx12 folds.
babydoll42 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4d ]
Grinder22 checks.
wokethebears bets [125].
Grinder22 calls [125].
** Dealing River ** [ 7h ]
Grinder22 checks.
wokethebears is all-In [640]

[Sciolist]

OK, I was busy typing how horrible it is to push this river, but it seems that there're a lot of hands that appear to be really strong that you beat here. There aren't many hands that can call anything at all that aren't in that category.

The only hands that are going to call your river bet are any queen, 44, 77 and 56. The only hands that'd call less than an all-in on the river are 99, TT, JJ or a bluff-reraise. The former hand selection is more likely based on preflop and flop play, whilst the most likely (Qx) is maybe not going to reraise a smaller bet.

Therefore, I like your play, and I think I need to look at some of my play now - my initial thought is "half the pot!"

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

I'd bet 250-300. A thinking opponent would read that as the same as a push, but a fish might either call or raise. In the long run, I think you make the max by making a bet that he can call and still have a small but workable number of chips.

[Zameus]

I used to take the conservative approach (probably about 300) until I realized I was missing out on a lot of value in these spots.

step 1) Push. Villian does not have the discipline to fold or have the courage to reraise with their Q-X and feels like they need to call any bet since they have trip queens even though their kicker is weak.

step 2) curse the poker gods when you opponent shows the Q-7 suited they limped in with in the small blind.