How accurate/correct is this?

[David04]

"When you celebrate Thanksgiving
What you are actually celebrating
is the proclamation of the pope of Rome
who later in league with Queen Isabella
sent Cardinal Ximenos to Spain to murder any blacks that resisted Christianity"

From an awesome song, Nature of the Threat, by Ras Kass. Anybody know if this is true, or how much of this song is accurate? I've heard a lot of this song is false/completely made up, but I'm not sure.

[PoBoy321]

That doesn't make any sense. The pilgrims were protestants who didn't recognize the Pope. I'm not even gonna try to get into the rest of it.

[miajag81]

Are you for serious? I hope not.

[Godfather80]

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"When you celebrate Thanksgiving
What you are actually celebrating
is the proclamation of the pope of Rome
who later in league with Queen Isabella
sent Cardinal Ximenos to Spain to murder any blacks that resisted Christianity"

From an awesome song, Nature of the Threat, by Ras Kass. Anybody know if this is true, or how much of this song is accurate? I've heard a lot of this song is false/completely made up, but I'm not sure.

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So, what exactly did the pope proclaim? You say that we are actually celebrating some papal proclamation, but you don't say what it is.

[David04]

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That doesn't make any sense. The pilgrims were protestants who didn't recognize the Pope. I'm not even gonna try to get into the rest of it.

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Maybe he is saying that Thanksgiving doesn't actually have anything to do with the pilgrims? I don't know. Maybe.

[David04]

Here's a more complete quote:

"On November 25th, 1491
Santiago defeats the last Muslim stronghold, Grenada
King Ferdinand gave thanks to God for victory
And the Pope of Rome and declared this date to forever be
A day of Thanksgiving for all European Christians
.. Now listen, when you celebrate Thanksgiving
What you are actually celebratin
is the proclamation of the Pope of Rome
Who later, in league with Queen Isabella
sent Cardinal Ximenos to Spain
to murder any blacks that resisted Christianity
These Moors, these black men and women
were from Baghdad, Turkey
And today, you eat the turkey, for your Thanksgiving day
as the European Powers destroyed the Turkeys
Who were the forefathers of your mothers and fathers"

[PoBoy321]

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That doesn't make any sense. The pilgrims were protestants who didn't recognize the Pope. I'm not even gonna try to get into the rest of it.

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Maybe he is saying that Thanksgiving doesn't actually have anything to do with the pilgrims? I don't know. Maybe.

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Well that's just retarded. The only people at the first Thanksgiving were Pilgrims and Indians. The Pilgrims were Protestant and the Indians had never heard of the Pope, so I have no idea how he got thrown in there.

[Godfather80]

[ QUOTE ]
"When you celebrate Thanksgiving
What you are actually celebrating
is the proclamation of the pope of Rome
who later in league with Queen Isabella
sent Cardinal Ximenos to Spain to murder any blacks that resisted Christianity"

From an awesome song, Nature of the Threat, by Ras Kass. Anybody know if this is true, or how much of this song is accurate? I've heard a lot of this song is false/completely made up, but I'm not sure.

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After thinking more on this, I have decided that this idea of Thanksgiving is insanely idiotic.

[David04]

Read the above post, maybe that will help you understand what he is trying to say.

[PoBoy321]

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"On November 25th, 1491
Santiago defeats the last Muslim stronghold, Grenada
King Ferdinand gave thanks to God for victory
And the Pope of Rome and declared this date to forever be
A day of Thanksgiving for all European Christians
.. Now listen, when you celebrate Thanksgiving
What you are actually celebratin
is the proclamation of the Pope of Rome
Who later, in league with Queen Isabella
sent Cardinal Ximenos to Spain
to murder any blacks that resisted Christianity
These Moors, these black men and women
were from Baghdad, Turkey
And today, you eat the turkey, for your Thanksgiving day
as the European Powers destroyed the Turkeys
Who were the forefathers of your mothers and fathers"

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First of all, I don't know about whether or not the Pope declared November 25th a holiday because of the siege of Grenada, but I'm trying to find some more info.

Secondly, to say that because two things are celebrated on the same day that they have some connection is again pretty dumb. Stoners all over America celebrate April 20th because they adopted it as their holiday, but Hitler was born on April 20th, so are they celebrating Hitler's birthday?

[jstnrgrs]

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Read the above post, maybe that will help you understand what he is trying to say.

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It sound to me like he's saying that didn't pay attention in kindergarten.

[Godfather80]

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Here's a more complete quote:

"On November 25th, 1491
Santiago defeats the last Muslim stronghold, Grenada
King Ferdinand gave thanks to God for victory
And the Pope of Rome and declared this date to forever be
A day of Thanksgiving for all European Christians
.. Now listen, when you celebrate Thanksgiving
What you are actually celebratin
is the proclamation of the Pope of Rome
Who later, in league with Queen Isabella
sent Cardinal Ximenos to Spain
to murder any blacks that resisted Christianity
These Moors, these black men and women
were from Baghdad, Turkey
And today, you eat the turkey, for your Thanksgiving day
as the European Powers destroyed the Turkeys
Who were the forefathers of your mothers and fathers"

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Nope. In the United States, we recreate a feast that occurred in 1621. And where, exactly, is Baghdad, Turkey?

F in History
F in Geography
F in songwriting.

[JihadOnTheRiver]

Is this a rap song? I hope so. I love to hear people that get their history lessons from rap songs. That's awesome.

[PoBoy321]

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Is this a rap song?

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I just found a copy of it on LimeWire and yes, yes it is.

It's also absolutely god awful.

F for taste in music.

Link to full lyrics (http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Nature-of-the-Threat-lyrics-Ras-Kass/0523E2975CA1EF7D48256A380024569B)

[David04]

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Is this a rap song? I hope so. I love to hear people that get their history lessons from rap songs. That's awesome.

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Yeah, it is. Where did I ever say I got my history from rap songs? I was just wondering about this...not like I take everything in this song as fact. If I did, I wouldn't have made this post.

But anyways, the song is really good.

[David04]

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And where, exactly, is Baghdad, Turkey?

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If a city/country ever existed, it exists now. It has to.

One time in second grade we outlined our hands to make turkeys and celebrate Thanksgiving.