TPTK ON SAME SUIT FLOP

no read on any players, i had just started playing at that table.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (14.40 SB) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(7 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO calls.

Turn: (10.20 BB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, CO folds.

River: (12.20 BB) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: 12.20 BB


should i have waited for the turn to raise? i'm thinking that this way i made someone fold a hand that could have made 2 pair or better on the turn plus i got some info from the original bettor who could have rr the turn with a big flopped hand and it would have been more costly.

I think it looks just fine. What was the action on the river?

[Dagger78]

I think you learn alot more by seeing who calls 2 cold on the flop here than you do than waiting to raise the turn to protect your hand. You can't protect your hand from a 1 card flush, but alot of players will fold a small heart for 2 bets, but might call for 1.

I think you played the hand well. I think you can value be the river as the BB has either a busted blush draw or weak Q(if he's a typical player) and you'll win a bet most of the times he calls.

[silkyslim]

nh. HEPFAP says dont slowplay your holdings on a monotone flop. An argument could be made for waiting for a non- /images/graemlins/diamond.gif and the bigger bet to protect but you got perfect position now and Co might not bet for you on the turn. Fold out some villains with non-flush outs as well. What happened to the river/

[W. Deranged]

My thought is this:

1. You are never protecting against a flush draw.

2. If a /images/graemlins/heart.gif hits you are losing this hand, period. Attempting to fold out medium /images/graemlins/heart.gifs is silly because the odds you are up against a /images/graemlins/heart.gif A or facecard is so high.

3. Hands that don't have flush draws have like 3 outs against you, and so might be marginally correct in calling one bet behind you. BUT, with the monotone flop, hands like KJo (without a /images/graemlins/heart.gif) likely will fold the flop anyway because the board is so scary and even oblivious players realize that chasing on monotone boards is silly.

4. A non-/images/graemlins/heart.gif turn GREATLY increases your equity here. We get much better value from a big /images/graemlins/heart.gif draw charging them 1 SB on the flop and 2 BB on a blank turn rather than charging 2 SB on the flop (when a big heart draw may actually have an equity edge against the field) and 1 BB on the turn.

5. We can simply fold a /images/graemlins/heart.gif turn while only having invested 1 SB.

So it seems to me that waiting to raise the turn is significantly better here.

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So it seems to me that waiting to raise the turn is significantly better here.

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There's a strong possibility he won't get another chance to raise. CO might not bet the turn.

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So it seems to me that waiting to raise the turn is significantly better here.

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There's a strong possibility he won't get another chance to raise. CO might not bet the turn.

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that's what i was thinking, many players bet the flop in a multipot but then check when they see several callers. or maybe he was value betting his flush draw, i had no guarantees he'd bet it again(actually he folded on the turn). on the river the BB checks, i bet and he folds...no flush for him /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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many players bet the flop in a multipot but then check when they see several callers.

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Yes, true. Not many players have the guts to bet into a huge field - including a preflop raiser - twice. Let alone with a lone /images/graemlins/heart.gif, which is what I'd put CO on. It sucks getting raised on the expensive street on a draw with one card to come, so I'd say that most players check the turn here unless they flopped a flush.

I'd make the flush chasers pay through their noses on the flop. It's a perfect opportunity to face the field with a double bet. Take their money while you still think you're ahead.