Party 2k KTs hand against a loosey

[AZK]

Only notes I have is 'loose'. After watching a few hands previously, I have updated my notes to loose-bad. Here's a hand that took place afterwards.

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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">MP2 ($2060)</font>
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($1970)</font>
CO ($2156)
Button ($2738.50)
SB ($2783)
BB ($2030)
UTG ($498)
UTG+1 ($1964.50)
UTG+2 ($5680)
MP1 ($1183.50)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of $10.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $20, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to $40</font>, Hero calls $40, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, UTG+1 calls $20.

Flop: ($150) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets $80</font>, Hero calls $80, UTG+1 folds.

Turn: ($310) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $200</font>, MP2 calls $200.

River: ($710) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $300</font>

I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish with this bet. It is certainly not a value bet as the villan must give you credit for at least the A and therefore if he doesnt have that beat he will not call that river bet. I understand your bet on the turn but I would prefer a check on the river. You open up yourself to a check raise and then you must fold.

[psuasskicker]

It is certainly not a value bet as the villan must give you credit for at least the A and therefore if he doesnt have that beat he will not call that river bet.

???

I'd be shocked if that's not a value bet on the river.

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[yvesaint]

if hes loose-passive, why bet the turn? do you think he will fold a Q on the turn? 99-JJ? his most likely holdings are probably some mid-pocket, or KQ/QJ/KJ etc.

[AZK]

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I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish with this bet. It is certainly not a value bet

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Nope, value bet.

[AZK]

He might fold a 3 or an 8?

[yvesaint]

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He might fold a 3 or an 8?

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he min-raised pre-flop, i dont think he has a 3 unless it's 33

A8-Q8 is a possibility, but only K8 folds obviously

unless you know something we dont, like he will min-raise with suited connectors or something

of course, he probably folds 44-77

[AZK]

minraise + loose player = any two pretty cards.

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I'd be shocked if that's not a value bet on the river.

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I agree two-fold here... If this villain is "loose-bad" first of all he would have come over the top of the turn bet with any ace. Therefore, when he only calls you can almost take out the risk of the ace.

Also, I don't understand the turn bet itself unless you have an immaculate read on this guy. I think the turn bet is more questionable and dangerous than the river bet. The river bet only leaves you open to him hitting two pair, mayber trips but doubtful, and if he comes over the top you fold and live to play another day.

On the turn bet your representing an ace but knowing that he is a loose-bad player you can almost be certain that if he has any ace here he reraises and you have to shut down...

Of course I could be totally off

Just a read question...

Would he chase a gut shot from the flop with J 10?

I could actually see this type of player min raising preflop with this hand...

[psuasskicker]

I don't understand the turn bet itself unless you have an immaculate read on this guy. I think the turn bet is more questionable and dangerous than the river bet.

Depends on the guy. All the notes say is loose and bad. If he's the kinda guy that'll raise and make a continuation bet a lot, I like that turn bet. Hell, I like the bet simply cause the guy showed weakness. You get a chance to take the pot, and probably have some outs to be best if called. If raised, easy fold.

AZK, would you have value bet a T on that river? If yes, I really love the turn bet.

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why did you call the flop with K-high against such a bad player?
Usually you're not hitting anything and I find trying to take pots away on the turn vs idiots usually a bad investment.

That being said, I'd probably make a weaker river bet... he might be scared with 2 overs out there if he has Qx, but a smaller bet might still get a call from a queen. I don't think he's folding any hand better than yours, and you might not get a call from a hand worse than yours.

[creedofhubris]

Why are you steal-calling the flop w/nothing against a loose/bad player? You need to show down hands against those guys, bluffing is generally chip spewing.

That river value bet is looking thin against anyone but the most treasured foe. If you've seen him make calldowns with 3rd pair though, go for it.

That value bet on the river is trash. You will not get called with a worse hand.

[meleader2]

villain is hero and hero is villain...

[AZK]

nope, not this time....

[cardsharkk04]

Calling with nothing and then betting with nothing against a bad player seems pretty bad. But your description of the player sucks, so its hard to say.

[tpir90036]

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nope, not this time....

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Results? Q7s called?

[AZK]

K6o called. Ship it.