View Full Version : How beatable are the 1/2. 2/4 Crypto games?
Hawkeye27
10-03-2005, 10:19 AM
I have been playing online for three years and have always been a winning player. After having a horrible run trying to learn the 5/10 6max games last winter I took some time off from poker and did a casino whoring binge to build my bankroll back up. Since then I've started to get back into poker with the "always be clearing a bonus" mentality.
In 100,000 plus hands at the Party 2/4 and 3/6 and Pacific 5/10 games my winrate was about 1.3-1.5 BB per 100 hands. After 6,000 hands at the 1/2 Crypto sites I've won $3. These hands were all full ring. I know thats a small sample size but its taken several months to get that many hands specifically at Crypto.
It seems that all the whoring friendly sites (Crypto, Prima, Absolute) all play relatively the same, very weak tight with nobody wanting to put money at risk. In comparison I would rate a typical 1/2 Crypto player similar to a Party 5/10 full ring player, though less aggressive. Although breaking even is still very profitable clearing these bonuses its also very frustrating.
I'm wondering just how beatable these games are? Do the easy bonuses just create unbeatable rock gardens or do I just need to learn how to adjust to these tight games? Do you see a big difference between the Crypto and Absolute games? Could someone post significant stats or winrates on these games?
I'm wondering if I should just join the weak tight fest and purposely try to break even?
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I would rate a typical 1/2 Crypto player similar to a Party 5/10 full ring player, though less aggressive
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Borno
10-03-2005, 10:43 AM
I personally find the crypto 1/2 and 2/4 games some of the easiest on the net. These games imo are up there with the party games. Table selection and game play time are your key problems.
As another poster said.. these games are no where close to the 5/10 tables at party.
Hawkeye27
10-03-2005, 10:45 AM
Ok thats probable fair. Its been a long time since I've been in those 5/10 Party games. I do remember them being very tight though. Would you agree that the Cryptos play weak tight also? Do you have anything else to add?
Hawkeye27
10-03-2005, 10:52 AM
In my experience the daytime games seem to be better than the evening games. Right now theres about 8 full ring 1/2 games with the average pot around $9. Pretty average and pretty tight?
I do much better at Party's 2/4 than Crypto's 1/2. Also, I never have trouble getting into a game at party w/ Ave pot size > 7-8 BB or so. As the above poster said, crypto's Ave is about 4BB and that's a good day. I think it's still probably worth it for the bonus, but it is frustrating. One things for sure, when they bet into the PFR, they have some goods... I just wish I could lay down then...
psw
bigjay
10-03-2005, 11:30 AM
Play the six max 1/2 pound tables. The fish jump right into the boat.
aargh57
10-03-2005, 12:26 PM
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Play the six max 1/2 pound tables. The fish jump right into the boat.
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I'm finding that to be true also. Quite a lot of 60+% VPIP and very little raising pf, lots of calling stations, etc. If you're playing in the daytime (U.S.) I think they're very good games.
I do better at crypto $1/2 than at party $.5/1. About 4BB/100 on crypto over the last 20,000 hands and about 2.3BB/100 at party over 25,000. So in my experience, yes they are very beatable.
It might not be good micro limit poker in general, but on these tight passive crypto tables I steal alot of blinds.
Guy Incognito
10-03-2005, 01:14 PM
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Play the six max 1/2 pound tables. The fish jump right into the boat.
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How does the rake factor into playing these, considering the max rake is almost twice as much on the GBP tables?
AcmeSalesRep
10-03-2005, 03:06 PM
To answer your posts title...VERY.
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After 6,000 hands at the 1/2 Crypto sites I've won $3. These hands were all full ring. I know thats a small sample size but its taken several months to get that many hands specifically at Crypto.
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In 250+ hours at Crypto 1/2, I am winning about 2.5 BB/table hour. Since I play 4 tables, I'm winning very close to $20/hr at 1/2.
I only have ~50 hours at 2/4 so far and I am only winning 0.75BB/table hr there so far. But I am very confident I am on a so-so run and that my true rate at the 2/4 will be in the range of 1.5 - 2 BB per table hour.
Lately, I have been playing 1/2 6-max instead of the full ring games. In just 35 table hours, I have won at a rate of 2.75 BB per table hour.
None of these are huge sample sizes (even the 1/2 only works out to something like 14K hands. But I think they are indicative of sustainable rates for these games.
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It seems that all the whoring friendly sites (Crypto, Prima, Absolute) all play relatively the same, very weak tight with nobody wanting to put money at risk. In comparison I would rate a typical 1/2 Crypto player similar to a Party 5/10 full ring player, though less aggressive.
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Then maybe I should be playing Party 5/10! :^)
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I'm wondering if I should just join the weak tight fest and purposely try to break even?
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Just because you are playing against weak-tight opponents, there is no reason for YOU to be weak-tight. If you know how to work against weak-tight opponents, there are a lot of opportunities for profit.
Acme
AcmeSalesRep
10-03-2005, 03:08 PM
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One things for sure, when they bet into the PFR, they have some goods... I just wish I could lay down then...
psw
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This does not agree with my experiences there at all...
Acme
Hawkeye27
10-03-2005, 03:14 PM
Well that certainly gives me hope. I probably really need to focus on my blind play. If you dont mind me asking what is your VP$IP at the crypto's? I started out really aggressively trying to steal blinds and making position bets post flop because the tables were so tight it seemed they would be folding alot postflop also. It seems however that they are more than happy to just call down with any peice of the board once they see the flop.
Anymore its very rare not to get donk bet or checkraised on the turn when I PFR. Between that and blind steal wars I consider these games pretty tough.
playersare
10-03-2005, 04:35 PM
for low limit crypto and bonus clearing, 6-max is definitely more lucrative than full ring. also consider some $1/2 stud.
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what is your VP$IP at the crypto's?
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18.45
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Anymore its very rare not to get donk bet or checkraised on the turn when I PFR.
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I typically find these games to pretty tight. When I pre-flop raise and get bet into or check raised on the flop, I tend to fire back at them (assuming I have anything). Tight players will usually back down or often even fold. unless they have something. If not, depending on the strength of my hand I go into call down. Obviously I lose some big hands with this line, but the ones I win are usually larger and more frequent.
Even on these typically tight table there are some wild bettors and it's amazing how often some one will raise and show me down with a pair of 8's or J high or something silly like that.
steamboatin
10-04-2005, 01:38 PM
As far as full ring games go, the Cyrpto's completely suck. It is not worth your time to sit around and steal blinds, you can make more at Walmart or McDonalds.
I am investigating the 6 max tables but my sample size is way to small, so the jury is still out.
Petteri
10-05-2005, 02:46 AM
I have played a lot of Crypto 2/4 $ and full ring seems to be hard to beat after rake. Were are mainly TAGs and TPPs playing for bonuses.
On the other hand short-handed 2/4 $ is pretty soft and very beatable. I think there is no reason play full ring on Crypto. Just learn how to play short-handed.
Situation is pretty much same in Pokerstars. 2/4 $ full ring is pretty tight compared to Party (but not complete rock garden like Crypto), while 2/4 $ short is pretty soft and very beatable.
uncleshady
10-05-2005, 07:03 AM
Your best bet is the 2/4 game. I usually play 1/2 when Im clearing an hourly, but I was forced to switch to 2/4 for the Interpoker (YES I PLAY POKER TO CLEAR THE INTERPOKER BONUS...SUE ME) bonus and things have worked out quite well. I wish I had signed up with a [mentionable] beforehand though...
pzhon
10-06-2005, 01:47 AM
Who cares what your win rate is when you get an extra 6-7 BB/100 bonus?
That said, at Crypto $1-$2, I have won 3.5 BB/100, and at Crypto GBP 1-2, I won a bit more. These games are definitely beatable. There are a lot of bonus whores, but in general, bonus whores who play 1-2 limit do not play well.
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