View Full Version : The smallest of overpairs - do I like the turn?
Ulysses
04-21-2003, 05:07 PM
A couple of people fold to me. I open-raise w/ 66. Unfortunately, two people cold-call after me, as do the blinds.
Flop 234r
SB bets. BB folds. I raise. Cold-callers fold. SB calls.
SB likes to play just about any two. He's pretty aggressive and relatively tricky.
Turn 6234
SB bets. Call or raise?
astroglide
04-21-2003, 05:23 PM
i would lean towards calling and calling again on the river, unless of course you fill up. if he's putting a move on you, it's probably not likely he'll take it to the next level with a reraise or even call. if he's not, you're getting 3bet and you'll pretty much have to pay off on the river anyway.
John W
04-21-2003, 06:08 PM
I like to just call down on a scary board and a player who will play any two cards. And you still have outs if your behind at all.
mike l.
04-21-2003, 07:41 PM
"He's pretty aggressive and relatively tricky."
so you raise the turn and call him down if he comes at you again.
mike l.
04-21-2003, 07:45 PM
"if he's putting a move on you, it's probably not likely he'll take it to the next level with a reraise"
no but he might reraise the turn w/ hands hero has beat like a smaller set, two pair, and (less likely) and overpair.
in other words, there's too much to gain from a raise here w/ top set despite the chances he's against a 5 for the straight.
astroglide
04-21-2003, 10:09 PM
"no but he might reraise the turn w/ hands hero has beat like a smaller set, two pair, and (less likely) and overpair."
i don't take 'tricky' to mean they'll 3bet a 2346 board on the turn with something like 2 pair. even if he's tricky, he knows his opponent isn't nuts.
mike l.
04-21-2003, 10:22 PM
"i don't take 'tricky' to mean they'll 3bet a 2346 board on the turn with something like 2 pair. even if he's tricky, he knows his opponent isn't nuts."
it wouldnt be nuts. since hero raised preflop tricky might put him on a big pair when he raises the turn and decide to reraise for value w/ little two pair as well as try to sell hero on the idea that his (perceived) overpair is drawing dead to a straight. there's not much reason for tricky to fear a straight or a set on a 6432 board.
ive seen this sort of aggressive play of two pair against a likely overpair frequently from tougher trickier players so i dont think it's far fetched at all.
astroglide
04-21-2003, 10:28 PM
tougher trickier i'd agree, just tricky i wouldn't as much. i agree anything's possible.
i guess my point is that if it's a situation where i'm questioning the value, i don't see the point of the raise. he's questioning it, so i don't see the point. if i'm going to get shown a worse hand at least 40% of the time when he bets here AND he'll call a raise back with that hand, then i'll raise here. if it's closer to the middle (or worse), it's flying without instruments.
elysium
04-22-2003, 04:00 AM
hi ulysses
fold this pre-flop ulysses. i'm hoping if i tell enough people to fold this pre-flop, i'll finally start folding it. of course ulysses call. he's got J5o or something like that. just call.
Ulysses
04-22-2003, 05:45 PM
I called.
The river was a 5. My opponent bet. I called. We chopped. He had J3o.
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