Review: Hand 4, A2s

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Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, MICROPOSTER completes, BB checks.

Flop: (3 SB) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
MICROPOSTER checks, BB checks, CO checks.

Turn: (1.50 BB) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
MICROPOSTER checks, BB checks, CO checks.

River: (1.50 BB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
MICROPOSTER checks, BB checks, CO checks.

Final Pot: 1.50 BB


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So I've only played a few thousand hands of 6-max, but I see two things to consider here:

1) Even though we're in a blind here, do we have enough hand to raise for value/isolation against the open-limping donk?

2) As it was played, it looks to me like we can bet the best hand on the turn for value.

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Can you explain me what does isolation mean?

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Can you explain me what does isolation mean?

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Well, CO has just openlimped in a 6-max game, which is almost always a no-no and is certainly a mistake from the CO. If he liked his hand at all, he would have raised it. We'd like to get it down to just the idiot, and a raise might get rid of BB and might get us the pot on the flop. Even if it doesn't, our hand has more showdown value HU than 3-way. I don't want to let BB check his option and get to share the profit from CO's mistake with us.

1) Technically, yes, I think this would be a profitable raise.

However, I'm still not comfortable raising A-rag (rag being like less than 7) out of position against an unknown. If anything it is only slightly +EV, and very much +variance.

2) You're probably right. If you're called, do you bet the river?

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2) You're probably right. If you're called, do you bet the river?

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We're not getting calls from worse hands here, so it would really be an issue of folding better ones or snapping off a bluff.

The only possibly better hand you'd fold is a stronger ace, but most 6m opponents would have raised those from the CO and the BB's (very wide) hand range is literally any two cards at this point, so I think it's unlikely there's a better ace out there. I'd check-call (but not overcall) the river in the hopes of catching a busted draw.

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1) it is slightly +EV


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2) You're probably right. If you're called, do you bet the river?

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We're not getting calls from worse hands here, so it would really be an issue of folding better ones or snapping off a bluff.

The only possibly better hand you'd fold is a stronger ace, but most 6m opponents would have raised those from the CO and the BB's (very wide) hand range is literally any two cards at this point, so I think it's unlikely there's a better ace out there. I'd check-call (but not overcall) the river in the hopes of catching a busted draw.

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Only problem is that 6-max is filled with noobs who open limp hands like AJo.

If I bet the turn and get called, I think I usually have to check/fold the river.

I think the line I like better is checking the turn and calling the river. Sort of a WA/WB situation.

Although the pot is tiny since I didn't raise preflop and the flop and turn have been checked around... not sure if it's worth fighting over.

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I think the line I like better is checking the turn and calling the river. Sort of a WA/WB situation.

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Only problem with this is that you can never be WA. It would royally suck to check behind the turn to see the 3 in BB's 93o pair up on the riv.

[Jake (The Snake)]

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Only problem is that 6-max is filled with noobs who open limp with any two cards.

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I really like to raise preflop here. Not only for value, but for many other reasons.

It's very difficult to play oop with this hand when you havn't showed strength preflop. You will find yourself folding the best hand too often, imo.

I also like to have an image of having a wide raising range in 6max. Good for Shania and such.

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I think the line I like better is checking the turn and calling the river. Sort of a WA/WB situation.

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Only problem with this is that you can never be WA. It would royally suck to check behind the turn to see the 3 in BB's 93o pair up on the riv.

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Ok, true.

You're possibly ahead on the turn, but the pot is still microscopic... Maybe it's worth a shot there, but I'd give up if I'm called.

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It's very difficult to play oop with this hand when you havn't showed strength preflop. You will find yourself folding the best hand too often, imo.

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This is a difficult hand to play whether you raise preflop or not, IMO.

If you raise, you're pushing a small edge. You are suited, and you have high card value, but most of the time your opponent will have plenty of outs and occasionally you will be dominated. And you're always out of position.

Also, adding more Shania isn't really a concern if you're playing decently in 6-max. You should already be raising around 15% or more, which is plenty to keep your opponents guessing.

[Jake (The Snake)]

The thing is, your opponent will make the mistake of folding on the flop when he has too many outs.

For example, suppose the flop comes K74 and villain has QTo. Now you bet out on the flop... is he going to call? Probably not, even though he should. He is making a FTOP error.

As for the Shania thing, I agree. I meant it more in a general sense.

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For example, suppose the flop comes K74 and villain has QTo. Now you bet out on the flop... is he going to call? Probably

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FYP

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1) it is slightly +EV


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Thanks. I needed that. I actually agreed with his reasoning.

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I don't like raising here preflop unless BB and CO are both weak players. Most BB's calls your raise probably 70% of the time getting 5:1 and you are stuck out of position with a worthless hand against 2 opponents unless you flop an ace or a draw.