10-10 with a short stack all-in and a flat call

[youngfor3]

I was really lost playing this hand. Should I have re-raised all-in pre-flop?

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button (t1195)
SB (t1235)
BB (t5585)
UTG (t1365)
Hero (t2035)
MP1 (t620)
MP2 (t1265)
MP3 (t395)
CO (t1305)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t300</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to t620 (All-In)</font>, MP2 calls t620, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, Hero calls t320.

Flop: (t1050) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP2 checks.

Turn: (t1050) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t1415 (All-In)</font>, MP2 folds.

Final Pot: t2465

[Maulik]

you could try betting 400-500 and fold to a min-raise. it wouldn't be fun being shortstacked.

personally, I would have limped PF and mucked after shortie went all-in. its not worth the risk at 50/100 blinds. certainly not entering a desperating zone &amp; being out of positoin w/ TT any overcard is a bad card

[youngfor3]

Bet 400-500 pre flop or on the flop?

Also, limping with 10's in early position probably would have let me avoid this whole mess in the first place.

[Maulik]

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Bet 400-500 pre flop or on the flop?

Also, limping with 10's in early position probably would have let me avoid this whole mess in the first place.

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I'm not certain what the best line is post-flop once in this mess. however, I you could have avoided this mess by mucking PF or after the re-raise or a raise PF

limping certainly would have, you could have folded to a raise w/ a weak hand OOP?

I don't blame you for feeling a little lost. MP1's move obviously doesn't show a lot of strength - shortstacked, perfect time to isolate, etc. - but MP2 has seen a raise, a push behind the raise, and has called with six people to act behind, including the original raiser. Not a good sign. So I'm likely checking when I don't hit my set, as you did, and while I like the turn bet, I find it a little over the top. What flush would be in this pot that isn't the nut flush? And why does the nut flush bet almost one-and-a-half times the pot? I'd be calling your all-in with a set or a high pocket pair, diamond or no diamond. I'd call PF rather than muck or re-raise though, getting 5-1. Very tough to muck those odds, regardless of the strength shown.

Having said all that, I'm hardly confident of any line here. One thing I don't like is limping. TT likes heads-up or the multiway pot, and multiway is unlikely given the blinds and the stacks.

[youngfor3]

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I'd call PF rather than muck or re-raise though, getting 5-1. Very tough to muck those odds, regardless of the strength shown.

Having said all that, I'm hardly confident of any line here. One thing I don't like is limping. TT likes heads-up or the multiway pot, and multiway is unlikely given the blinds and the stacks.

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Ok, you're not confident of any line but what would be the best one to take?

When a similiar situation comes up again I will still have no idea how to play it. Limping seems a little weak because I don't want to play 10-10 merely for set value.

Anyone else have any thoughts on this hand? They would be greatly appreciated.

BTW, I agree that calling the re-raise PF was way better than folding or re-raising.

[ilya]

If MP2 seems at all solid, I fold this to the preflop re-raise. A smooth-call for half his stack is very scary, and you don't have the odds to play for a set. Not to mention you're out of position AND the pot is protected.

You open-raised well (I'd bet slightly less, something like 275, but that's neither here nor there), but MP2's call is intimidating.

His position scares me, and he has a tight range in my opinion (again, because of his calling of a reraise OOP). His tight range overcomes any pot odds you may be getting here, so I'd muck the hand.

Fair enough. Not that my line is "the best line to take", but I'd lead out on the flop for 645 exactly: MP2's remaining stack. Very difficult to call if he missed that flop. If he's got JJ-AA, he's got it, if not, you should be fine. He's got the positional advantage, but you have the advantage of having him covered. He'll have a small, but not hopeless stack left if he folds, and you'll have the same if you're beaten. That's all very easy to say since I know he folded on the turn, but there it is.

There's always the possibility of checking this one down, as many players like to do when another is all-in, but I've never liked this move. I'd rather give myself a better chance to win this pot, and collusion (even if tacit collusion) is always a little questionable.

Actually, I'm beginning to think that we might have odds. Unless my calculations are wrong, I'm thinking that the odds of hitting a set with a PP PF-to the River is a little worse that 20%, or 4-1. If we were to re-raise MP2 for his whole stack, we're against two all-ins, five cards to come, with about 3-1 pot odds. So the set odds get us a lot of the way there. Are we 100% confident that we lose without the set? I think that I'm willing to gamble on this, given that I'll have a short (but not piddly) stack if I lose, and if I win, I've knocked out two villains and I'm in a position to challenge. It's just a SNG, and I can think of worse places to roll the dice.

I can think of better ones too though.

[Isura]

I think we are overestimating MP2's range here. If this is a low buyin, I see players do this with AK-AQ and 77+. So, I think the preflop call is fine. I would push the flop and force him to call with smaller pairs or AK-AQ.