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Easystreet

08-12-2005, 05:27 PM

Hand #1
Villain is 35/6/2 (50 hands)
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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 5 folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG raises, Hero calls, BB folds.

The turn C/R looks like a flush, maybe a straight, is it worth calling this down, just incase villain has a lower two pair, or maybe a pair and a flush draw?

River: (9.75 BB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.75 BB

Hand#2
Villain is exactly the same person as in Hand#1.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
1 fold, Hero raises, 6 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls.

River: (7.25 BB) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.25 BB

Hand #3

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif. MP2 posts a blind of $1. CO posts a blind of $1.
3 folds, MP2 (poster) checks, CO (poster) checks, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Should I raise this pf against two posters and one limper?

Flop: (5 SB) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (5 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, MP2 folds, CO folds, Button folds.

Turn: (3.50 BB) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, BB calls.

River: (5.50 BB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

I think I am correct to bet the river, however when villain raises it looks very much like he has hit a flush draw. Villain is loose average aggression. I was trying to convinse myself he might have something like AJ, but I dont think thats very likely because he would have raised the flop or turn with a hand like that.

Hand #4

Player reads : UTG+2 is weak tight and MP3 is extremely loose and unpredictable, can be too aggressive at times and too passive at others.
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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
1 fold, Hero raises, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, UTG+2 raises, MP1 folds, MP3 3-bets, SB folds, BB folds, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls.

I can't see how this flop could have helped UTG+2 so I think he is probably betting an over pair. The 3 bet by MP3 is of more concern. If it was a typical player I would assume I was up agains trips but this player can be wild at times. So I decided to call down, not sure if this is correct or not thought, any thoughts?

Turn: (10.50 BB) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls.

River: (13.50 BB) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls.

Final Pot: 16.50 BB

VoraciousReader

08-12-2005, 09:15 PM

I'll take a stab at this...(standard disclaimer applies: I stink at poker).

Hand #1: Against an unknown I'm definitely calling this down. Too much could be going on here: he could have AQ, he could be semi-bluffing with a lone K /images/graemlins/club.gif, he could easily have KQ. He could just be bluffing a scare card. He called out of the big blind, so he doesn't necessarily have more than one high card. And yes, he could have a straight or trip 4s or a flush. Our hand is not a powerhouse, but we do have Top Two Pair here. And if we are behind, we still have 3 clean outs to a full house.

Hand 2: Looks a lot like hand #1, minus the 3-flush. Tell me what villain had on #1, and I'll tell you what I'd do on #2. /images/graemlins/grin.gif I think I can find a fold here. Pot is small, board is paired, assuming you lost hand 1, looks like villain likes to wait for the turn to raise his strong hands and we may be drawing to 2 outs.

Hand 3: I'm raising this preflop. I don't always raise 99 (it's like jogging...I know I should do it every day, but I don't really like it and sometimes I just don't want to) but against a blind, 2 posters and a limper, I'm definitely putting in a raise.

I'm trying not to be influenced against betting this river by the fact I know you're getting raised. Straight and flush draws come in. Blech. But you are ahead many many more times than you are beaten, so yeah, bet, and I crying call the raise.

Hand 4: Given your read on MP3, I definitely call down.

So if you call too much, so do I. There, wasn't that helpful? /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

jaxUp

08-12-2005, 09:22 PM

Hand 1: nicely done.

Hand 2: I like the call down as you sill see check/raises here from weaker kings and sometimes Q's, and sometimes a diamond draw or something ridiculous.

Hand 3: An easy river call here I think. He will have a hand like 9J or QJ or even AJ here often enough to make it profitable

Hand 4: I like a call down keeping UTG + 2 around

So, to answer your question, no. I think these calls all needed to be made. If you happen to be going through a downswing, don't let it affect your confidence with hands like these. You are playing correctly.

Easystreet

08-13-2005, 04:46 AM

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So, to answer your question, no. I think these calls all needed to be made. If you happen to be going through a downswing, don't let it affect your confidence with hands like these. You are playing correctly.

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Thanks for these comments, you are absolutely right in your assumptions, I am currently going through a down swing and I think it is affecting my confidence. As you can probably guess I lost all the above hands.