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SonOfWestwood

08-11-2005, 09:56 PM

SB's numbers are 33%/2%/.88/22%/50% after 122 hands. I had one hand against him earlier in the session where I flopped a set, he made his flush on the turn, but only called my slightly less than 1/2 pot turn lead, and called my ~1/2 pot river that paired the board.

How's the turn check through? Should I have raised the river?

Thanks for any comments.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG ($19)
UTG+1 ($19.25)
UTG+2 ($24.50)
MP1 ($5.95)
MP2 ($82.64)
MP3 ($27.35)
Hero ($38.55)
Button ($25.70)
SB ($28.40)
BB ($10.40)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
4 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.5, 1 fold, SB (poster) raises to $2.65, 1 fold, MP2 folds, Hero calls $1.25.

Flop: ($6) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $5, SB calls $5.

Turn: ($16) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($16) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
SB bets $5, Hero calls $5.

Final Pot: $26

ActionMatt

08-11-2005, 10:58 PM

dont know why you would check the turn. he reraised before the flop.. unlikely he holds an eight or flopped a set and has now filled up. i dont think u have much to fear when the board pairs on the turn or the river. You should have bet the turn and gone from there. His river bet looks pretty weak and i dont think you would have gotten much more out of him unless he was holding a higher pair which seems unlikely from the beting that went on.

Macquarie

08-11-2005, 11:08 PM

I think this was way underplayed. You've got him on 2% prf after a decent number of hands, and he reraised you preflop. He certainly has AA/KK/QQ (just possibly AK, but less likely after calling your flop bet).

Absolutely no reason not to bet this turn - it looks like he plans on calling down, and you have no reason to fear a check-raise. No reason not to raise his river bet. What are you afraid he might have??

jt_patriot

08-11-2005, 11:17 PM

I definitely agree he is holding JJ-AA withthe 2% PFR, so my question is why not push preflop after the reraise? I do it all the time with aces in higher limits against similiar players and it probably works 4 out of every 5 times, and more often than not I'm up against a dominated KK. Other than that, you have to bet all the way through here because he's calling you down with an inferior hand.

pokerjoker

08-11-2005, 11:49 PM

without pt id play like you did, with pt read im raising all the way.

amoeba

08-12-2005, 02:22 AM

bet the turn, raise the river.

preflop call isn't too bad but there are lots of scary flops.

I think you might as well 3 bet to 7. hope to get it all in on the flop.

vulturesrow

08-12-2005, 02:44 AM

Good post amoeba. With this hand I am 3 betting a tight raiser without question. Get his money before he chickens out on the flop.

silvershade

08-12-2005, 05:39 AM

I'm newish to NL/PL so excuse me if this seems a stupid question but why just call his raise pre-flop?

I am probably over aggressive but my instinct would be to make a big re-raise there, to be honest I'd happily go all in if he re-raises again.

EDIT: I was grunching just saw that others already addressed my question.

Gustavo

08-12-2005, 07:11 AM

[ QUOTE ]
SB's numbers are 33%/2%/.88/22%/50% after 122
what the stats mean !?
saw flop ? Pre Raise ? Agression ?? Vip ? won at showdown?

Macquarie

08-12-2005, 07:37 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Get his money before he chickens out on the flop.

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A tight reraiser is more prone to lay it down preflop to a three-bet than chicken out on a harmless flop. He could easily get away from QQ or AK to a three-bet.

You are certain to be heads up, and you have position, and villain will very likely lead into you on the flop (er, OK, so he didn't here..). It think the preflop call was fine here.

SonOfWestwood

08-12-2005, 12:53 PM

Yeah, so I clearly wasn't aggressive enough here. I've been playing so scared lately because of a recent slide I had and I've been seeing monsters everywhere, unnecessarily. My thinking in this hand was "oh, let's try to make sure I lose the least if I get sucked out on". Nice, eh? And I even felt that I was playing weak during the hand. I just gotta get over this and get my boldness back.

Thanks for all the comments.

async

08-12-2005, 03:27 PM

I'd have led for about about 2/3 the pot on the turn and river; but it depends on how he sees you. What have you been doing in those 122 hands, I wonder?

The_Bends

08-12-2005, 04:54 PM

Good tight players will bin KK, QQ but low limits tight players will be so bored waiting for their eventual good hands that they almost always play. From their point of view all the other players are over loose crazies so a RR does not have to indicate AA to them.