View Full Version : 92o makes underfull - Pot Control? 5/10
fimbulwinter
08-02-2005, 06:27 PM
villain is total unknown. has been sitting for 3 orbits and seems to play pretty average preflop, has stolen blinds. he hasn't taken a hand to showdown.
Villain open limps in UTG+2, two limps to me on BB with 92, i check.
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I bet 40, villain calls
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I bet 100, villain raises to 200...
fim
edit: stack sizes are him ~1000 and i cover
technologic
08-02-2005, 06:28 PM
stack sizes =?
arod15
08-02-2005, 06:33 PM
Insta-call, I say insta because it will make it appear as if your on a flush draw. Than check raise river. If he checks to you on the river i like overbetting the river as opposed to value betting. This will seem as if you missed your flush and are trying to buy it. I like betting 700 on the river. But again a lot of this depends on stack size which i dont see if stacks are small make a value bet if he has a big stack i like overbetting.
He has a 9...call if he is timid, reraise if he will go broke with a single 9 here.
River is where it gets interesting.
ChewyMint
08-02-2005, 06:42 PM
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Insta-call, I say insta because it will make it appear as if your on a flush draw. Than check raise river. If he checks to you on the river i like overbetting the river as opposed to value betting. This will seem as if you missed your flush and are trying to buy it. I like betting 700 on the river. But again a lot of this depends on stack size which i dont see if stacks are small make a value bet if he has a big stack i like overbetting.
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Maybe I'm just reading this incorrectly, but how can you check-raise someone on the river, and ALSO over-bet the pot if they check to you. This may be donk-ish, but I like reraising the turn to something like $200 more. He has odds to call if he has a flush draw, and for $200 more, I doubt he folds a big ace. If I called on the turn, I bet $400 on the river, unless it's an Ace. Value value value.
ChewyMint
fimbulwinter
08-02-2005, 06:45 PM
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He has a 9
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or AA or 22.
fim
He doesn't have a flush draw, how many people check a flush draw on the flop but raise with it on the turn in a heads up pot.
I don't feel AA/22 as much as a 9, I don't know why. I suppose you are right, wouldn't he wait for the river to pump a lock, the problem is you have no idea how he plays. Because of this, I would think that generally, this is a 9 more than a boat, and would play accordingly.
fimbulwinter
08-02-2005, 06:52 PM
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wouldn't he wait for the river to pump a lock
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you feel he thinks AAA99 is a lock but not AA999?
fim
AA/A9 same difference
Edit: When I said he has a 9, i meant a single 9, not the hand A9, you knew that, right?
fimbulwinter
08-02-2005, 07:01 PM
I call,
River is an offsuit jack. Pot now about 500.
I check, he pushes.
fim
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I call,
River is an offsuit jack. Pot now about 500.
I check, he pushes.
fim
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meh
Jocke_F
08-02-2005, 07:07 PM
you say he is above average preflop, would he really open limp with something like 89, 9T from early pos? is it full ring or short handed? I am having serious problems putting him on a hand you beat, I think I would fold this river, it really stinks of AA, A9 or possibly even 99
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or possibly even 99
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Yeah, it's definitely 99, how could I not see that.
TheWorstPlayer
08-02-2005, 07:12 PM
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or possibly even 99
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I'm sorry, but do you people even read the posts/play poker? there are only 4 nines in the deck, dude.
Heheh. Call the river. I imagine you lost to AA, though.
fimbulwinter
08-02-2005, 07:17 PM
what hands does any sane player play ths way that i beat here?
fim
When I read posts I tend to assume Villain is bad. Especially when they open limp.
Anyway, 22/98/T9.
TheWorstPlayer
08-02-2005, 07:24 PM
{K9-39,22,bluff}
fimbulwinter
08-02-2005, 07:35 PM
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Heheh. Call the river. I imagine you lost to AA, though.
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you think i'm right 35-40% of the time here?
fim
TheWorstPlayer
08-02-2005, 08:02 PM
I didn't reply to you. I started my post before you had posted and finished afterwards (stupid work got in the way.)
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sane player
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That's a big assumption. This looks like any 9, so you have to call the river.
-Skeme-
08-02-2005, 08:51 PM
Why would he push here with a random 9?
I know fim doesn't play at Party, but I have seen tons of terrible and non-standard play, and this looks a lot like any 9 from an unknown. I wouldn't be too surprised to see some sort of pocket pair either. Anyway, although fim lost this hand (I hope he didn't fold), he wins more than 50% of the time against an unknown if his 5/10 site is somewhat similar to Party.
fimbulwinter
08-02-2005, 09:10 PM
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Anyway, although fim lost this hand
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um, no i didn't.
fim
yvesaint
08-02-2005, 09:13 PM
It looks to me like 22 trying to get your (what looks like a) naked 9 to call.
Several people have mentioned 22. Wouldn't most people, fish and proz alike, fold 22 to the flop bet most of the time?
Ulysses
08-03-2005, 01:23 AM
I would stick it in there on the turn.
Ulysses
08-03-2005, 01:24 AM
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I call,
River is an offsuit jack. Pot now about 500.
I check, he pushes.
fim
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If I called, I would bet 400 on the river and call a push. As it went, I call.
fsuplayer
08-03-2005, 01:28 AM
folding this hand at any point would not be good at all.
i would prob. call turn and bet/call the river.
if you 3 bet turn he may release a 97s or other weaker nines.
Jocke_F
08-03-2005, 02:51 AM
lol, to my defence I was drunk : )
anyway, the point I was trying to get across was that I can't see any sane preflop player sitting on a lone 9 here, or 22 since they would fold that on the flop, chasing underboats can't be profitable in the long run.
creedofhubris
08-03-2005, 08:34 AM
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villain is total unknown. has been sitting for 3 orbits and seems to play pretty average preflop, has stolen blinds. he hasn't taken a hand to showdown.
Villain open limps in UTG+2, two limps to me on BB with 92, i check.
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I bet 40, villain calls
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I bet 100, villain raises to 200...
fim
edit: stack sizes are him ~1000 and i cover
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The min-raise on the turn is him announcing to all the world, "world, I have a nine!"
You should proceed to crush him under the mighty power of your boat. Raise turn, get it allin on river.
fimbulwinter
08-03-2005, 02:58 PM
he had 22 and i win.
i'm not really sure about the call on the flop. i mean, yeah, i lead at a lot of flops like this, so maybe he was planning to outplay me later or something, i dunno.
anyhow, i've been convinced the concensus is correct. i guess if he has a9 or aa i just lose my money here.
fim
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