44 against a good player

[swolfe]

Villain is tight, solid...

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG ($432.25)
UTG+1 ($396)
MP1 ($142)
MP2 ($873.95)
MP3 ($524.60)
CO ($729.15)
Button ($161.80)
SB ($274.10)
Hero ($648)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif. SB posts a blind of $2.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $15</font>, <font color="#666666">7 folds</font>, Hero calls $11.

Flop: ($32) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $25</font>, Hero calls $25.

Turn: ($82) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $60</font>

[elus2]

if he's the type to fire a second barrel, i like a turn check-raise instead. it's a lot more consistent with having a set plus you make more money if he's the type to fire again with AK. how often do you think he can fold QQ/JJ when you checkraise the turn?

[Malachii]

Part of my problem with this play is that you're investing $85 to gain $57.

57x = 85-85x
(57 + 85)X = 85
X= 85 / (85+57)
X=.0598

So your play has to work over 60% of the time to be profitable. I didn't include the probability that you'll improve on the river.

[TheWorstPlayer]

Could be +EV with any two, but I think it's more likely pissing away money.

[Go_Blue88]

this line looks a lot like a bluff to me. you're probably only going to get overcards to fold here. if i'm villian i can't figure out what you're representing. it just doesn't feel right to me. maybe a set would play like this, but wouldn't villian call you here with an overpair? (i would, or i might raise) you're going to need to make a big river bluff if he does.

[Slappz]

If he calls this bet your done with the hand?

[swolfe]

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If he calls this bet your done with the hand?

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absolutely:

Turn: ($82) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $60</font>, UTG calls $60.

River: ($202) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks.

Final Pot: $202

[Go_Blue88]

i think that this is a really cool play if you follow through on the river. i don't understand the point of your turn lead if you don't follow up on the river...

[TheWorstPlayer]

He's a wimp for not vb his JJ/QQ against you ten.

[swolfe]

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He's a wimp for not vb his JJ/QQ against you ten.

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true, but maybe i had a fearsome table image /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[TheWorstPlayer]

I wish I had saved that awesome picture of the burning money. You can find better spots to run bluffs than just some random hand where a solid player raises UTG.

[-Skeme-]

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i think that this is a really cool play if you follow through on the river. i don't understand the point of your turn lead if you don't follow up on the river...

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Lead on the turn was to get out missed overcards. When something calls there, it's safe to assume it's a decent hand. How strong of a hand Hero wants to represent on the river is entirely up to swolfe. I'd just give up the pot.

[Go_Blue88]

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i think that this is a really cool play if you follow through on the river. i don't understand the point of your turn lead if you don't follow up on the river...

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Lead on the turn was to get out missed overcards. When something calls there, it's safe to assume it's a decent hand. How strong of a hand Hero wants to represent on the river is entirely up to swolfe. I'd just give up the pot.

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if the goal is just to get villian to fold 2 overs, then i like leading or c/raising the flop. to me, leading the turn sets up the big river play. if you don't intend to lead this river, then i prefer the other lines i mentioned in the first sentence.

[-Skeme-]

I'm not supporting the play or the reasoning behind it, just letting you know that was Hero's MO.

[BobboFitos]

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I wish I had saved that awesome picture of the burning money. You can find better spots to run bluffs than just some random hand where a solid player raises UTG.

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yah, like check - calling the flop