Heads-Up versus Mr. Push (Almost) Every Hand

[downtown]

I'm still trying to get better at my head-up end game. I tend to run into my fair share of hyper-aggro, push everything once we are heads-up opponents. Any glaring mistakes here in these 15 hands? Note: I am NOT focused on the bad beats and I don't give an *ish* about them, so no worries. I just want to know if my actions the other hands are ok. In particular, I'm looking for feedback on hands 5, 8, 9, 14.

Any general advice for really aggressive opponents? Call with top 50% of hands? Top 25?

Thanks.
-DT-

edited to fix way blinds are displayed
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Hand 1:
BB300
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 3: Villain (2920)
Seat 4: Hero (5080)
Hero posts small blind (150)
Villain posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Td, 7h ]
Hero shown [Fold,Call(150),Raise(450)to(5080)]
Hero raises (650) to 800
Villain shown [Fold,Call(500),Raise(1000)to(2920)]
Villain folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1100
Villain balance 2620, lost 300 (folded)
Hero balance 5380, bet 800, collected 1100, net +300

Hand 2:
BB300
Seat 3 is the button
Seat 3: Villain (2620)
Seat 4: Hero (5380)
Villain posts small blind (150)
Hero posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 5s, 9c ]
Villain raises (2470) to 2620
Villain is all-In.
Hero folds.
Creating Main Pot with $2920 with Villain
** Summary **
Main Pot: 2920
Villain balance 2920, bet 2620, collected 2920, net +300
Hero balance 5080, lost 300 (folded)

Hand 3:
BB300
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 3: Villain (2920)
Seat 4: Hero (5080)
Hero posts small blind (150)
Villain posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 5d, 9h ]
Hero calls (150)
Villain raises (2620) to 2920
Villain is all-In.
Hero folds.
Creating Main Pot with $3220 with Villain
** Summary **
Main Pot: 3220
Villain balance 3220, bet 2920, collected 3220, net +300
Hero balance 4780, lost 300 (folded)

Hand 4:
BB400
Seat 3 is the button
Seat 3: Villain (3220)
Seat 4: Hero (4780)
Villain posts small blind (200)
Hero posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Qh, 6d ]
Villain raises (3020) to 3220
Villain is all-In.
Hero folds.
Creating Main Pot with $3620 with Villain
** Summary **
Main Pot: 3620
Villain balance 3620, bet 3220, collected 3620, net +400
Hero balance 4380, lost 400 (folded)

Hand 5:
BB400
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 3: Villain (3620)
Seat 4: Hero (4380)
Hero posts small blind (200)
Villain posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Jh, 4s ]
Hero raises (800) to 1000
Villain raises (3220) to 3620
Villain is all-In.
Hero folds.
Creating Main Pot with $4620 with Villain
** Summary **
Main Pot: 4620
Villain balance 4620, bet 3620, collected 4620, net +1000
Hero balance 3380, lost 1000 (folded)

Hand 6:
BB400
Seat 3 is the button
Seat 3: Villain (4620)
Seat 4: Hero (3380)
Villain posts small blind (200)
Hero posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 7h, 7c ]
Villain raises (4420) to 4620
Villain is all-In.
Hero calls (2980)
Hero is all-In.
Creating Main Pot with $6760 with Hero
Creating Side Pot 1 with $1240 with Villain
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Jd, 3s, 6s ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Ks ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 5d ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 6760 | Side Pot 1: 1240
Board: [ Jd 3s 6s Ks 5d ]
Villain balance 1240, bet 4620, collected 1240, lost -3380 [ 6h 9h ] [ a pair of sixes -- Ks,Jd,9h,6h,6s ]
Hero balance 6760, bet 3380, collected 6760, net +3380 [ 7h 7c ] [ a pair of sevens -- Ks,Jd,7h,7c,6s ]

Hand 7:
BB400
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 3: Villain (1240)
Seat 4: Hero (6760)
Hero posts small blind (200)
Villain posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 8h, 3c ]
Hero shown [Fold,Call(200),Raise(600)to(6760)]
Hero folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 600
Villain balance 1440, bet 400, collected 600, net +200
Hero balance 6560, lost 200 (folded)

Hand 8:
BB400
Seat 3 is the button
Seat 3: Villain (1440)
Seat 4: Hero (6560)
Villain posts small blind (200)
Hero posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Th, 7c ]
Villain raises (1240) to 1440
Villain is all-In.
Hero calls (1040)
Creating Main Pot with $2880 with Villain
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 8h, 2h, 2s ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 4d ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 4h ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 2880 |
Board: [ 8h 2h 2s 4d 4h ]
Villain balance 2880, bet 1440, collected 2880, net +1440 [ 3c 4c ] [ a full house, Fours full of twos -- 4c,4d,4h,2h,2s ]
Hero balance 5120, lost 1440 [ Th 7c ] [ two pairs, fours and twos -- Th,4d,4h,2h,2s ]

Hand 9:
BB400
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 3: Villain (2880)
Seat 4: Hero (5120)
Hero posts small blind (200)
Villain posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 9c, Qh ]
Hero calls (200)
Villain raises (2480) to 2880
Villain is all-In.
Hero calls (2480)
Creating Main Pot with $5760 with Villain
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Ks, 9h, 2s ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Kd ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 3d ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 5760 |
Board: [ Ks 9h 2s Kd 3d ]
Villain balance 5760, bet 2880, collected 5760, net +2880 [ Th Ts ] [ two pairs, kings and tens -- Ks,Kd,Th,Ts,9h ]
Hero balance 2240, lost 2880 [ 9c Qh ] [ two pairs, kings and nines -- Ks,Kd,Qh,9c,9h ]

Hand 10:
BB400
Seat 3 is the button
Seat 3: Villain (5760)
Seat 4: Hero (2240)
Villain posts small blind (200)
Hero posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 7s, 6h ]
Villain folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 600
Villain balance 5560, lost 200 (folded)
Hero balance 2440, bet 400, collected 600, net +200

Hand 11:
BB400
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 3: Villain (5560)
Seat 4: Hero (2440)
Hero posts small blind (200)
Villain posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 7s, Tc ]
Hero raises (2240) to 2440
Hero is all-In.
Villain folds.
Creating Main Pot with $2840 with Hero
** Summary **
Main Pot: 2840
Villain balance 5160, lost 400 (folded)
Hero balance 2840, bet 2440, collected 2840, net +400

Hand 12:
BB400
Seat 3 is the button
Seat 3: Villain (5160)
Seat 4: Hero (2840)
Villain posts small blind (200)
Hero posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 7h, Td ]
Villain raises (4960) to 5160
Villain is all-In.
Hero folds.
Creating Main Pot with $5560 with Villain
** Summary **
Main Pot: 5560
Villain balance 5560, bet 5160, collected 5560, net +400
Hero balance 2440, lost 400 (folded)

Hand 13:
BB400
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 3: Villain (5560)
Seat 4: Hero (2440)
Hero posts small blind (200)
Villain posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Ts, 5s ]
Hero folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 600
Villain balance 5760, bet 400, collected 600, net +200
Hero balance 2240, lost 200 (folded)

Hand 14:
BB500
Seat 3 is the button
Seat 3: Villain (5760)
Seat 4: Hero (2240)
Villain posts small blind (250)
Hero posts big blind (500)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Qd, 4s ]
Villain raises (5510) to 5760
Villain is all-In.
Hero folds.
Creating Main Pot with $6260 with Villain
** Summary **
Main Pot: 6260
Villain balance 6260, bet 5760, collected 6260, net +500
Hero balance 1740, lost 500 (folded)

Hand 15:
BB500
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 3: Villain (6260)
Seat 4: Hero (1740)
Hero posts small blind (250)
Villain posts big blind (500)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Kd, Kh ]
Hero calls (250)
Villain raises (5760) to 6260
Villain is all-In.
Hero calls (1240)
Hero is all-In.
Creating Main Pot with $3480 with Hero
Creating Side Pot 1 with $4520 with Villain
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Tc, Ad, 2c ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Th ]
** Dealing River ** : [ Ts ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 3480 | Side Pot 1: 4520
Board: [ Tc Ad 2c Th Ts ]
Villain balance 8000, bet 6260, collected 8000, net +1740 [ Td 9c ] [ four of a kind, tens -- Ad,Td,Tc,Th,Ts ]
Hero balance 0, lost 1740 [ Kd Kh ] [ a full house, Tens full of kings -- Kd,Kh,Tc,Th,Ts ]

[45suited]

[ QUOTE ]
Hand 13:
400/800 Blinds
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 3: Villain (5560)
Seat 4: Hero (2440)
Hero posts small blind (200)
Villain posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Ts, 5s ]
Hero folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 600
Villain balance 5760, bet 400, collected 600, net +200
Hero balance 2240, lost 200 (folded)

[/ QUOTE ]

Stop mini-raising and limping from the button so much. And push this hand here for sure.

[jadducci]

I can't see myself doing a whole lot different in this situation. You lost a bunch of hands where you had a reasonable advantage, it happens. Only thing I can suggest is that you might want to bet at him occasionally to see how he plays, ie if he is going to fold or reraise. With blinds so high it becomes a crap shoot anyways, gamble away!

I would be calling this type of player with the top 40% of hands or so. I don't know if that the optimal percentage but it sounds nice to me.

[Ixnert]

Push hand 9. Call hands 4 and 14.

Never ever just complete. (Ok, there are situations, but you won't be far off if you never complete.)

[downtown]

[ QUOTE ]
Stop mini-raising and limping from the button so much.

[/ QUOTE ]

The only hand I could see that you might be talking about with regard to mini-raising (in this case 2.5BB) is hand 5. Better to push there or lay it down? My thinking was that villain had folded to a similar bet in hand 1.

With regard to limping too much, I can really only see one limp once I figure out he's pushing every hand (he really just flipped the switch once it was HU), and that's hand 9. I want to get it all in versus his totally random hand so I call hoping he pushes since Q9 is ahead of random (I think, but I could be wrong). Is this way off? Just push?

[RedRum]

Against this guy, any Qx+ and I'm pushing/callling. Hand 4 and 14 for sure. Also I don't like action on 5, if you're going to fold to a reraise, just fold from the SB.

Drink More,
RedRum

[durron597]

[ QUOTE ]
Hand 5:
BB400
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 3: Villain (3620)
Seat 4: Hero (4380)
Hero posts small blind (200)
Villain posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Jh, 4s ]
Hero raises (800) to 1000
Villain raises (3220) to 3620
Villain is all-In.
Hero folds.
Creating Main Pot with $4620 with Villain
** Summary **
Main Pot: 4620
Villain balance 4620, bet 3620, collected 4620, net +1000
Hero balance 3380, lost 1000 (folded)

[/ QUOTE ]

Never ever ever do this when the blinds are this high. Just open push.

[downtown]

Yeah I hated hand 5 too when I reread this. Thanks.

[durron597]

[ QUOTE ]
Yeah I hated hand 5 too when I reread this. Thanks.

[/ QUOTE ]

You can also fold this too but this hand is like right at the border. But never raise/fold. Ever. Ever. Ever.

[Beavis68]

Hand 5:
BB400
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 3: Villain (3620)
Seat 4: Hero (4380)
Hero posts small blind (200)
Villain posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Jh, 4s ]
Hero raises (800) to 1000
Villain raises (3220) to 3620
Villain is all-In.
Hero folds.
Creating Main Pot with $4620 with Villain
** Summary **
Main Pot: 4620
Villain balance 4620, bet 3620, collected 4620, net +1000
Hero balance 3380, lost 1000 (folded)


Shouldn't this be a call?

[valenzuela]

1) Mr. push > Mr.fold HU
2) Youre better off pushing every hand.

[Nottom]

I just want to ask, how many of you that want to call in hand 4 would have done so with out seeing all the other hands?

[durron597]

[ QUOTE ]
I just want to ask, how many of you that want to call in hand 4 would have done so with out seeing all the other hands?

[/ QUOTE ]

I agree, hand 4 is a fold.

[RedRum]

[ QUOTE ]
I just want to ask, how many of you that want to call in hand 4 would have done so with out seeing all the other hands?

[/ QUOTE ]

When I first saw this hand, before reading the rest, I thought he should have called there. I sometimes get too protective of rampant steal attempts tho.

Drink More,
RedRum

[KingMedicine]

push 13
call 14

the rest (except for that insane mini-raise thing) is how'd id play them.

[Ixnert]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I just want to ask, how many of you that want to call in hand 4 would have done so with out seeing all the other hands?

[/ QUOTE ]

I agree, hand 4 is a fold.

[/ QUOTE ]

If by "without seeing all the other hands", you mean I really don't know anything about this guy, then I fold, certainly, because most players don't actually push as much as they should, and the range of a typical player, at least at lower levels, is ahead of Q6 by enough to fold.

But that's kind of a silly way to look at this question -- we're taking as given that villain is hyper-aggressive HU, and even just given the first few hands (say, the first three, the ones listed before the hand in question), I'm confident enough in that assessment to go with it.

Given that, I'd say Q6 is a call, because (at a guess -- I don't have pokerstove at hand to run the numbers) it's close enough to even against any two (or a slightly more reasonable "almost any two" range) that the blinds make it worth going after. Close, I would guess, and I wouldn't condemn someone folding here, but I can't imagine it's a big mistake either way.

[Nottom]

Well I come across a lot of players that seem perfectly normal until they get HU and then turn into push-bots. I'm not ready to conclude that calling with Q6o is a profitable play after 3 hands, one of which he folded.

(In this spot he needs to be pushing 65% to make it a call)

[Degen]

Top 50% of HU hands yes, and this is a much diff set than the usual top 50 with hands like A3o going way up in value.


You shouldn't be limping your SB vs this guy unless you are trapping.

Raising him a small amount with the intention of folding is equally retarded. Open push or fold, or raise with the intention of calling a push.

Also this guy will fold to pressure, he plays like me HU (and like you probably should) and he's all about FE. If you open push he's got a tight range.

[downtown]

Thanks everyone for helpful replies. Now that I look back on the entire HH of this match, I think the small raises I was throwing in (~2.5BB) were a vestige of the Villain folding to such raises of his BB from the other villain when 3 handed, and something that should (now) obviously not have made it into my HU approach. I realize the fold was terrible there (J5 hand) and I can only blame 4-tabling, which is equally bad and a leak! I appreciate the help in plugging the leaks.