MicroBob
07-08-2005, 01:41 AM
x-posted from my blog just because I think it's kind of interesting.
Does anyone lay it down if he pushes all-in (instead of re-raising to $5k) and also has you covered?
I doubt it....even with $10k in chips over a multi-day event the blinda and ante's eat up your stack quickly enough that you just have to make SOME kind of moves...and all-in with KK pre-flop should be pretty darned okay.
Anyway - general thoughts on whether it's even possible to fold KK pre-flop in the early-going of an MTT??
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I talked with Lacky about the hand that killed me.
I don't think there's anything I could have done really but I still feel like I might have been able to get away from it.
Lacky mentioned that both Dan Harrington and Gus Hansen have said that they have NEVER folded kings pre-flop. That makes me feel a little better.
I seem to remember them having said this too now that Lacky mentioned it.
Blinds 50/100 -
I have 18k or so - villain has 12k
Tight player in early position raise to 300.
With KK in LP I make it 1000.
Villain re-raises to 5000.
I push all-in (and have him covered and still have 6k if I lose) and he calls.
His AA beats my KK and I never recovered at all in the tourney.
yuck!!
When he re-raised to 5000 I was thinking that he couldn't possibly do that unless he had Aces and I half-thought about laying it down.
But then I remembered that I had been kind of aggressive earlier (winning 4 pots in the first two orbits to build a stack up to 11.2k or so) and he possibly read me as a little bit reckless.
Maybe he has AK or something and he's putting me on TT or JJ perhaps and thinks I'll back down to his 5k re-raise....maybe HE just has AK and doesn't care what I have.
This hand happened just 2 orbits or so after I flopped top set with QQ to clobber a different player with AA.
When I had the KK and raised to 1k he commented, "Do you have queens again?" or something like that.
Anyway - I can post-mortem this all I like about what I was thinking and why I was thinking it....and that when he re-raised to $5k I just KNEW he had aces.
But I REALLY don't think I could live with myself if I laid that down. It would be just due to some combination of perceived 'instinct' and paranoia and oftentimes the two are hard to distinguish.
and I certainly don't think I could live with myself if I laid it down and then he showed me TT or something silly.
The only other option is to just call the $5k raise and see the flop and THEN push all-in when all the undercards come....and that's going to end in the same result because there's no way he lays it down on that flop.
Does anyone lay it down if he pushes all-in (instead of re-raising to $5k) and also has you covered?
I doubt it....even with $10k in chips over a multi-day event the blinda and ante's eat up your stack quickly enough that you just have to make SOME kind of moves...and all-in with KK pre-flop should be pretty darned okay.
Anyway - general thoughts on whether it's even possible to fold KK pre-flop in the early-going of an MTT??
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I talked with Lacky about the hand that killed me.
I don't think there's anything I could have done really but I still feel like I might have been able to get away from it.
Lacky mentioned that both Dan Harrington and Gus Hansen have said that they have NEVER folded kings pre-flop. That makes me feel a little better.
I seem to remember them having said this too now that Lacky mentioned it.
Blinds 50/100 -
I have 18k or so - villain has 12k
Tight player in early position raise to 300.
With KK in LP I make it 1000.
Villain re-raises to 5000.
I push all-in (and have him covered and still have 6k if I lose) and he calls.
His AA beats my KK and I never recovered at all in the tourney.
yuck!!
When he re-raised to 5000 I was thinking that he couldn't possibly do that unless he had Aces and I half-thought about laying it down.
But then I remembered that I had been kind of aggressive earlier (winning 4 pots in the first two orbits to build a stack up to 11.2k or so) and he possibly read me as a little bit reckless.
Maybe he has AK or something and he's putting me on TT or JJ perhaps and thinks I'll back down to his 5k re-raise....maybe HE just has AK and doesn't care what I have.
This hand happened just 2 orbits or so after I flopped top set with QQ to clobber a different player with AA.
When I had the KK and raised to 1k he commented, "Do you have queens again?" or something like that.
Anyway - I can post-mortem this all I like about what I was thinking and why I was thinking it....and that when he re-raised to $5k I just KNEW he had aces.
But I REALLY don't think I could live with myself if I laid that down. It would be just due to some combination of perceived 'instinct' and paranoia and oftentimes the two are hard to distinguish.
and I certainly don't think I could live with myself if I laid it down and then he showed me TT or something silly.
The only other option is to just call the $5k raise and see the flop and THEN push all-in when all the undercards come....and that's going to end in the same result because there's no way he lays it down on that flop.